Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Honey_Badger

Herzlos wrote: »

Because generally they need to follow EU rules in order to sell stuff into the EU, without having any say in those rules. They have to make more concessions in trade deals because they are usually the smaller party.

Yes, but surely that applies elsewhere. If we want to sell products or services to the USA we have to follow their standards and rules. It doesn’t mean we’ve lost sovereignty in meeting those rules.

Moby

Honey_Badger wrote: »

Yes, but surely that applies elsewhere. If we want to sell products or services to the USA we have to follow their standards and rules. It doesn’t mean we’ve lost sovereignty in meeting those rules.

I'm always struck by how much knowledge our brexiteer bretheren have at their fingertips about international trade and the likelihood of trade deals with all and sundry, yet the ones I meet won't even try food which comes from the next village?

Honey_Badger

Moby wrote: »

I'm always struck by how much knowledge our brexiteer bretheren have at their fingertips about international trade and the likelihood of trade deals with all and sundry, yet the ones I meet won't even try food which comes from the next village?

Well, perhaps I’m different to the Brexit voters you know. I’ve lived and worked in four EU countries, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland and Cyprus.

tracey3596

Moby wrote: »

I'm always struck by how much knowledge our brexiteer bretheren have at their fingertips about international trade and the likelihood of trade deals with all and sundry, yet the ones I meet won't even try food which comes from the next village?

I'm often struck by the knowledge which our remainer brethren say they have at their fingertips about Brexiters.
Of course, it is easy to imply that which either does not exist in reality or which is purely some figment of the imagination as is probably the reality with the post quoted above.
Perhaps there is a real need to seek out a wider circle of acquaintances because the reality is that people everywhere and of whatever their political persuasion will and do try food from around the globe.
This is why Britain's favourite foods include for example curries, pasta dishes, Chinese foods and chilli con carne.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

There's no shortage of people, like you, sat with a fence lodged up their !!!! who amazingly know exactly when someone is wrong but strangely can't articulate what right is. Two a penny.

:rotfl:

Such irony.

The great wotsthat, believes in a sensible Brexit but can’t say what it means.
Thinks the tories are useless, the opposition are useless, the Lib Dem’s are useless, UKIP obviously useless. Everyone useless. Votes for no-one so he can cry about them all.

Thinks the leavers aren’t bothered about immigration except when they are bothered.

I’ll tell you what ‘right’ is. It’s whats happening. It’s politicians playing politics and eventually getting a result. And they do that while losers jump on every little setback or difficulty and make a massive deal out of nothing.

mayonnaise

tracey3596 wrote: »

I'm often struck by the knowledge which our remainer brethren say they have at their fingertips about Brexiters.
Of course, it is easy to imply that which either does not exist in reality or which is purely some figment of the imagination as is probably the reality with the post quoted above.
Perhaps there is a real need to seek out a wider circle of acquaintances because the reality is that people everywhere and of whatever their political persuasion will and do try food from around the globe.

I get all my knowledge about brexiteers from this forum.
In real life I don't know people who think that remoaners should be silenced or that the EU is Hitler's idea.
I could of course make an effort to seek out a wider circle of acquaintances to include these specimen, but I think I'll pass.

gfplux

So it's all agreed Britain and the EU move on to phase two.
These are the guidelines published today by the EU.
http://consilium.europa.eu/media/32236/15-euco-art50-guidelines-en.pdf
This is actually real and I reccomend EVERYONE on this thread takes the time to read all the nine short paragraphs spread over four pages.
Here is a taste.
3. As regards transition, the European Council notes the proposal put forward by the United Kingdom for a transition period of around two years, and agrees to negotiate a transition period covering the whole of the EU acquis, while the United Kingdom, as a third country, will no longer participate in or nominate or elect members of the EU institutions, nor participate in the decision-making of the Union bodies, offices and agencies.

4. Such transitional arrangements, which will be part of the Withdrawal Agreement, must be in the interest of the Union, clearly defined and precisely limited in time. In order to ensure a level playing field based on the same rules applying throughout the Single Market, changes to the acquis adopted by EU institutions, bodies, offices and agencies will have to apply both in the United Kingdom and the EU. All existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures will also apply, including the competence of the Court of Justice of the European Union. As the United Kingdom will continue to participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market (with all four freedoms) during the transition, it will have to continue to comply with EU trade policy, to apply EU customs tariff and collect EU customs duties, and to ensure all EU checks are being performed on the border vis-à-vis other third countries.

7. The Union takes note that the United Kingdom has stated its intention to no longer participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market after the end of the transition period, and the European Council will calibrate its approach as regards trade and economic cooperation in the light of this position so as to ensure a balance of rights and obligations, preserve a level playing field, avoid upsetting existing relations with other third countries, and to respect all other principles set out in its guidelines of 29 April 2017, in particular the need to preserve the integrity and proper functioning of the Single Market.

9. The European Council will continue to follow the negotiations closely and will adopt additional guidelines in March 2018, in particular as regards the framework for the future relationship. It calls on the United Kingdom to provide further clarity on its position on the framework for the future relationship. The European Council invites the Council (Art. 50) together with the Union negotiator to continue internal preparatory discussions, including on the scope of the framework for the future relationship.

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I have not edited this out of bias but to create the desire for everyone to read it all.
This document has been issued by the EU so is not some remainer or Quittling sounding off.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

I get all my knowledge about brexiteers from this forum.
In real life I don't know people who think that remoaners should be silenced or that the EU is Hitler's idea.
I could of course make an effort to seek out a wider circle of acquaintances to include these specimen, but I think I'll pass.

I get all my kicks as regards bleating bitter Remoaners on this forum too. We get all their now hackneyed repertoire on here, Leave voters are old, xenophobic, closet racists or actual racists, thick Northern labour voters or thick southern Tory voters, all accusations designed to elevate themselves of course and somehow make them feel better about the bitter sense of loss of their world view being overridden by someone else. I look forward to our probable benign exit from the EU and in the years ahead the gradual irrelevance of the Remoaners and their credo of bitterness.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

So it's all agreed Britain and the EU move on to phase two.
These are the guidelines published today by the EU.
http://consilium.europa.eu/media/32236/15-euco-art50-guidelines-en.pdf
This is actually real and I reccomend EVERYONE on this thread takes the time to read all the nine short paragraphs spread over four pages.
Here is a taste.
3. As regards transition, the European Council notes the proposal put forward by the United Kingdom for a transition period of around two years, and agrees to negotiate a transition period covering the whole of the EU acquis, while the United Kingdom, as a third country, will no longer participate in or nominate or elect members of the EU institutions, nor participate in the decision-making of the Union bodies, offices and agencies.

4. Such transitional arrangements, which will be part of the Withdrawal Agreement, must be in the interest of the Union, clearly defined and precisely limited in time. In order to ensure a level playing field based on the same rules applying throughout the Single Market, changes to the acquis adopted by EU institutions, bodies, offices and agencies will have to apply both in the United Kingdom and the EU. All existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures will also apply, including the competence of the Court of Justice of the European Union. As the United Kingdom will continue to participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market (with all four freedoms) during the transition, it will have to continue to comply with EU trade policy, to apply EU customs tariff and collect EU customs duties, and to ensure all EU checks are being performed on the border vis-à-vis other third countries.

7. The Union takes note that the United Kingdom has stated its intention to no longer participate in the Customs Union and the Single Market after the end of the transition period, and the European Council will calibrate its approach as regards trade and economic cooperation in the light of this position so as to ensure a balance of rights and obligations, preserve a level playing field, avoid upsetting existing relations with other third countries, and to respect all other principles set out in its guidelines of 29 April 2017, in particular the need to preserve the integrity and proper functioning of the Single Market.

9. The European Council will continue to follow the negotiations closely and will adopt additional guidelines in March 2018, in particular as regards the framework for the future relationship. It calls on the United Kingdom to provide further clarity on its position on the framework for the future relationship. The European Council invites the Council (Art. 50) together with the Union negotiator to continue internal preparatory discussions, including on the scope of the framework for the future relationship.

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I have not edited this out of bias but to create the desire for everyone to read it all.
This document has been issued by the EU so is not some remainer or Quittling sounding off.

A fairly standard ‘wish list’ from the EU you’ve posted there.
Still waiting for your ‘interesting week’ in Brussels BTW.

Thrugelmir

Honey_Badger wrote: »

It should have remained a trading alliance rather than an embrionic superstate.

That amounts to cherry picking one topic of many though. Large corporations (Apple, Amazon, Ford, Cadburys etc) are exploiting the flaws in open borders. The EU at it's core has been political for some decades. Economic integration by it's very nature, aligns with that of political views. The Eurozone itself is flawed without fiscal alignment i.e. tax rates, wealth transfers from north to south/east etc.