Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

fewgroats

I believe Brexiters go too far when they issue death threats.

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

So it's all agreed Britain and the EU move on to phase two.
These are the guidelines published today by the EU.

I have not edited this out of bias but to create the desire for everyone to read it all.
This document has been issued by the EU so is not some remainer or Quittling sounding off.

No, you might not have edited your beloved EC blurb.
What you have done though is missed a small but vitally important word, which is that these are EU guidelines. In other words, it's an EU "wish list" for negotiations going forward and not an agreed outcome of these planned negotiations.
From the EC release you link to:

Delegations will find attached the guidelines adopted by the European Council

Dictionary definition of "guideline":

a general rule, principle, or piece of advice.

Rough_Justice

fewgroats wrote: »

I believe Brexiters go too far when they issue death threats.

Only Brexiters?

Does nobody else issue death threats then - and do those also not go too far?
I believe that either remainers or Brexiters who refuse to at least acknowledge the right of others to have an opinion go too far.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

No, you might not have edited your beloved EC blurb.
What you have done though is missed a small but vitally important word, which is that these are EU guidelines. In other words, it's an EU "wish list" for negotiations going forward and not an agreed outcome of these planned negotiations.
From the EC release you link to:

Dictionary definition of "guideline":

Your "speed reading" is defective.
Read again my post.
Second line, fourth word = Guidelines.

Why do you take issue with me over this.
I think it is useful for everyone to read these GUIDELINES. You have every right to call them a wish list however EU Guidelines/wish lists have been quite important in the negotiations during phase 1.

As Britain and the EU head towards 30th March 2019 this thread could benefit from more information and less mud slinging.
Too many remainers and quittlings ignore the facts and talk only of doom. While Britain heads towards either doom or the golden green hills of paradise we all need to start concentrating on the facts.
At least the guidelines/wish list that have been issued are the original words that we need to focus on and not the spin that will be applied to those words.

Rough_Justice

Tromking wrote: »

A fairly standard ‘wish list’ from the EU you’ve posted there.
Still waiting for your ‘interesting week’ in Brussels BTW.

Maybe from the POV of a Luxembourg resident, anything at all happening is interesting.
Have you ever read any of what passes in Luxembourg for newspapers?
You should try it some time. Obviously when you've nothing better to do, having watched the grass grow or the paint dry for long enough.
Today's headlines in the online Chronicle.lu include such beauties as "Rugby Club Luxembourg Fundraising to Welcome Students from Kenya, Fiji" and in pride-of-place at the top of the page "Tickets Available for Evita at Grand Theatre".
Pulitzer prize-winning it is not.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

A fairly standard ‘wish list’ from the EU you’ve posted there.
Still waiting for your ‘interesting week’ in Brussels BTW.

Tromking,
My interesting week in Brussels was fascinating. You may have thought it was all very predictable. Even now it could all get more exciting as we waite for the transition discussions in January and best of all the written proposals from Britain when David Davis actually writes down what Canada plus plus plus means. That has to be ready for the end of March 2018 I believe.
Perhaps this time when that first meeting happens the photo opportunity will include a pile of papers in front of Davis that will be that proposal

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

Your "speed reading" is defective.
Read again my post.
Second line, fourth word = Guidelines.

Why do you take issue with me over this.
I think it is useful for everyone to read these GUIDELINES. You have every right to call them a wish list however EU Guidelines/wish lists have been quite important in the negotiations during phase 1.

As Britain and the EU head towards 30th March 2019 this thread could benefit from more information and less mud slinging.
Too many remainers and quittlings ignore the facts and talk only of doom. While Britain heads towards either doom or the golden green hills of paradise we all need to start concentrating on the facts.
At least the guidelines/wish list that have been issued are the original words that we need to focus on and not the spin that will be applied to those words.

I take issue with your foisting pro-EU propaganda upon this forum as if it were fact when it is nothing more than a "want" as well as your derogatory tone.
When posters here are so deceitful and so condescending in their so-called "contributions" whilst at the same time using such derogatory terminology as you choose towards those whose opinion differs to your own, others are quick enough to "take issue" too.
If you dislike the reaction so much I politely suggest you review the tone of your posts.
Also try to comprehend the meaning of words such as "guidelines" before ignoring the meaning when you post, maybe.

Rough_Justice

Here's an interesting report from Reuters regarding global dominance by the UK financial sector. It acknowledges some risk as a consequence of Brexit but says this:

... banks, insurers, asset managers, and the accountants and lawyers who support them, netted a total trade surplus of $93.6 billion in 2016, more than the next two leading countries, the United States and Switzerland, combined.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-banks-trade/uk-keeps-top-financial-sector-global-ranking-brexit-seen-as-risk-idUKKBN1E9001

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

Tromking,
My interesting week in Brussels was fascinating. You may have thought it was all very predictable. Even now it could all get more exciting as we waite for the transition discussions in January and best of all the written proposals from Britain when David Davis actually writes down what Canada plus plus plus means. That has to be ready for the end of March 2018 I believe.
Perhaps this time when that first meeting happens the photo opportunity will include a pile of papers in front of Davis that will be that proposal

You need to get out more if the rubber stamping of progress to phase 2 was fascinating.
What I’ve taken out of the last two weeks is that the EU seemed at least keen as the UK to move to phase two, the warm reception and kind words that TM got from the usual suspects in Brussels today speaks volumes as to their concerns about what comes after TM if she is unseated as PM. The next battle I can see is within the Tory cabinet as to what the UK wants from the trade talks and the transition period. Once that is sorted, it’ll be down to the EU27 to stick together, a task that even Tusk has admitted could be problematic.

Enterprise_1701C

Interesting sign under Merkel here