Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

LHW99

With at the very least the Spanish yet to play their "Glbralter" card......

Yes, which is another thing - our government appears to support Spain's position in relation to Catalonia (rightly or wrongly dependent on who is judging the issue) but Spain is not prepared to allow that the people of Gibraltar wish to remain part of the UK, and that the UK administration is happy for them to do so.

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

Yes, which is another thing - our government appears to support Spain's position in relation to Catalonia (rightly or wrongly dependent on who is judging the issue) but Spain is not prepared to allow that the people of Gibraltar wish to remain part of the UK, and that the UK administration is happy for them to do so.

Different issues entirely. The claim to Gibralter isn't new either. Simply that Brexit has provided an ace card......

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't think the hard brexiteers are going to be happy about immigration no matter what so we can safely dismiss their views. The vast majority of people will be happy enough if the government are seen to curb health tourism and people who come here just for the benefits i.e. things which make people disproportionately angry compared to their real impact and are already in the governments gift to sort.

The problem with this reasoning is if it was true we wouldn’t have got anywhere near this point.

First off there would have been no need for a referendum. The tories could have painlessly killed off UKIP by doing what you say they had the power to do. Leave the fringe nutters alone and keep the masses happy without any risk.

Second even if we still had it, the argument above would have been made and could have been demonstrated to be possible. Just a 2% swing off the back of it and remain gets in. You’d have walked it if what you say is true.

In other words. To get to today you have to have an unprecedented level of incompetence, over multiple years, by - the govt, opposition, civil service, pollsters, large sections of the media and everybody in the remain campaign.

Perhaps you’re correct, although in that case it kind of begs the question whether it’s the power holding remainers who are actually the intellectually challenged ones.

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Perhaps you’re correct, although in that case it kind of begs the question whether it’s the power holding remainers who are actually the intellectually challenged ones.

Hardly...Did you catch Question Time from Barnsley last night;)

Arklight

LHW99 wrote: »

Yes, which is another thing - our government appears to support Spain's position in relation to Catalonia (rightly or wrongly dependent on who is judging the issue) but Spain is not prepared to allow that the people of Gibraltar wish to remain part of the UK, and that the UK administration is happy for them to do so.

Oh for goodness sake. What would you lot be saying if the Spanish had been occupying Hayling Island for hundreds of years, and using it as a military staging post to choke off Britain's ability to get to France?

You wouldn't like it would you? Well that's how the Spanish feel.

Maybe look at all the little scraps of Empire that remain around the globe and reflect on how many people Britain killed to get them and you might start to understand where Britain fits in the world. It's quite different to the Brexit University view.

Matt_L

Arklight wrote: »

Brexit thugs' death threat to Tory MP who led push for democratic vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dominic-grieves-theresa-may-rebellion-death-threats-a8111176.html

Yet again the ugly face of the Right proves indivisible from Brexitwinkers.

I wonder what the Express has to say about this, oh look 12 stories screaming about enemies of the people and another brace about aliens.

I guess the ugly face of the right have been taking lessons from the ugly face of the left, after all most leading brexit campaigners have been receiving death threats for years, hell even a BBC corespondent needs a bodyguard when going to a Labour party conference....

tracey3596

Arklight wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake. What would you lot be saying if the Spanish had been occupying Hayling Island for hundreds of years, and using it as a military staging post to choke off Britain's ability to get to France?

You wouldn't like it would you? Well that's how the Spanish feel.

Maybe look at all the little scraps of Empire that remain around the globe and reflect on how many people Britain killed to get them and you might start to understand where Britain fits in the world. It's quite different to the Brexit University view.

You have a very tainted view and, it appears, little knowledge upon which you base your opinion.
A simple search might help you but the Spanish actually gave the UK Gibraltar in perpetuity (look it up if it helps) under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713. Basically it means it belongs to the UK forever.

Spain might as well ask the USA for Florida back, or Louisiana.
How do you think that would go?

Whilst you're looking "at all the little scraps of Empire that remain around the globe" you might also want to consider those still held by such countries as France, Spain, the Netherlands etc. before you decry Britain's place in the world and at the same time educate yourself on how such remnants of empire in all these countries continues to influence their global standing.

Arklight

Matt_L wrote: »

I guess the ugly face of the right have been taking lessons from the ugly face of the left, after all most leading brexit campaigners have been receiving death threats for years, hell even a BBC corespondent needs a bodyguard when going to a Labour party conference....

No she didn't, that piece of propaganda was completely absurd.

Arklight

tracey3596 wrote: »

You have a very tainted view and, it appears, little knowledge upon which you base your opinion.
A simple search might help you but the Spanish actually gave the UK Gibraltar in perpetuity (look it up if it helps) under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713. Basically it means it belongs to the UK forever.

Spain might as well ask the USA for Florida back, or Louisiana.
How do you think that would go?

Whilst you're looking "at all the little scraps of Empire that remain around the globe" you might also want to consider those still held by such countries as France, Spain, the Netherlands etc. before you decry Britain's place in the world and at the same time educate yourself on how such remnants of empire in all these countries continues to influence their global standing.

The difference, Tracey, is that those countries have come to terms with their history, for the most part put it behind them, and moved on. You people seem to think you're living in a Biggles annual from 1947.

I suggest you fact check your Treaty of Utrecht history, as you appear to be ignorant of the war that preceded it, or the fact that Gibraltar was already occupied by British forces when it was signed.

Tromking

tracey3596 wrote: »

Whilst you're looking "at all the little scraps of Empire that remain around the globe" you might also want to consider those still held by such countries as France, Spain, the Netherlands etc. before you decry Britain's place in the world and at the same time educate yourself on how such remnants of empire in all these countries continues to influence their global standing.

Well said.
There's no talking to a guilt-ridden British Leftist I'm afraid.
We've seen in recent weeks what the Spanish state is capable of when its met with dissention. The good citizens of Gibraltar know the score.