Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

A more sensible brexit does now seem more likely than the silly 'brexit means brexit' position that scared away the Tory majority. It's progress of sorts.

Is a sensible brexit better than a jobs first brexit?
I don’t know.
What is sensible?
Please quantify.

I mean you talk about TM getting a drubbing, but she’s still just about there, while the Lib Dem’s got nothing for standing on a platform of calling it all off. The Tory majority wasn’t scared off by brexit, it was held off by a better focussed campaign from labour and a !!!! one from the tories.

setmefree2

Tromking wrote: »

The trick with that scenario is that Treeza needs to stay in post of course. Who`s to say her possible demise won't trigger another GE and we are then presented, after a bit of Tory blood-letting, with a more hardline Brexiteer Tory Government with maybe even a majority.
More than one European leader is concerned at what comes after TM, it certainly won't be a Corbyn majority administration as Labour`s position on Brexit is a shambles.

I agree. In someways the rebels helped TM. The EU want their money. They see TM as the one who will give them that. They will therefore not want to undermine her further.

Imho, however, I hope the rebels get deselected - quietly. I can't tell you what I really think of them as I would get a PPR. I can only imagine what the Tory membership think of them....I think the Daily Mail's front page says it all.

mrginge

gfplux wrote: »

Anyone who perpetuates the myth that a Sudanese or Iraqi refugee once inside the EU could get on a plane and come to Britain has believed lies.

You’re bang on there matey. There’s too much unsubstantiated rubbish spread about by misguided dimwits who believe anything that confirms their delusional biases.

I saw this one earlier, what a joker.

But many people were upset by the too many brown faces of the immigrants most of whom did not come from the EU.

setmefree2

Two polls now showing a Tory lead. I think last nights vote might help TM government further.

Thoughts?

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Why do you think a hardline brexiteer package would appeal to the electorate? Treeza tried something similar last June and got a resounding drubbing.

I don't see people making the differentation between hard and soft Brexit that politicians and remainers are desperately making.
Most leave voters I know see this as a simple binary choice, in or out, and attempts to make it about anything else is seen as a tactic to thwart the will of the people as expressed in the referendum.
Your definition of an electoral drubbing is different to mine, and although I have no time for this Government domestically, I think the most likely outcome of another GE is a Tory victory, and with BJ and an aggreived Brexiteer public behind him, maybe with a majority.
Its been a good 6 months for the remainers, expect a reciprocal leave voter backlash if things carry on as they are.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by mayonnaise
Why do you think a hardline brexiteer package would appeal to the electorate? Treeza tried something similar last June and got a resounding drubbing.

TM lost ground in the GE because of social care costs nothing to do with Brexit.....

setmefree2

Tromking wrote: »

Its been a good 6 months for the remainers, expect a reciprocal leave voter backlash if things carry on as they are.

I thanked your post but disagree with this. It's been a great 6 months for Leavers. In the end yesterday was just a bump in the road.

There will no doubt be more bumps in the road.....

setmefree2

TM

"I'm disappointed with the amendment but actually the EU Withdrawal Bill is making good progress through the House of Commons," said Mrs May, pointing out the government had won 35 of 36 votes so far.
"We are on course to deliver Brexit."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346898

setmefree2

The choice will be "Deal" or "No Deal"

No renegotiation if MPs reject deal Theresa May gets, EU leader warns

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-vote-parliament-european-council-xavier-betel-luxembourg-a8110376.html

That'll be the PM of Luxemborg ;-)

Arriving at a European Council summit in Brussels on Thursday just hours after Ms May’s defeat, Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, said the UK would not be given the opportunity to renegotiate.

Herzlos

setmefree2 wrote: »

The choice will be "Deal" or "No Deal"

Hardly surprising. I doubt the EU want to waste any more time on us than they have to. Plus, when it comes to negotiating re-entry from WTO, they'll hold even more cards.