Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Ballard

When all's said and done it's not going to stop us leaving the EU so I'm not sure why some Brexiteers (such as Farage) as up in arms about it. One of the key foundations (apparently) of leaving the EU was to give parliament sovereignty. This vote means that the MPs who represent us get to vote on the deal so one would have thought that everyone would be happy.

gfplux

The next two days in Brussels will be "fun" for some.
It would appear the deal on phase one will be voted through on Friday afternoon BUT trade talks may/will not start until March 2018.
This should give David Davis the opportunity and time to prepare properly unlike with phase one when accusations were made that Britain was unprepared.
Here is what politico say about the next two days.

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"Dinner date: The PM will arrive in Brussels mid-afternoon and must first endure a smalltalk session with fellow leaders who must be wondering just how long she can last in No. 10. She will then sit through an EU Council session on shared defense plans before the main event over dinner tonight — her chance to address EU27 leaders on last week’s Brexit deal. May will tell EU leaders she welcomes the Commission’s ruling that sufficient progress has been made and call for a transition deal to be agreed “as soon as possible.” The PM will fly straight home after dinner wraps up. But the EU27 will stay on to discuss Brexit in her absence tomorrow — and around lunchtime Friday should formally confirm the Brexit talks can move on to phase 2.

Talking trade? U.K. officials were keeping tight-lipped last night over whether May will use her dinner date to make a big pitch for a broad trade deal. But in the Guardian, Brussels bureau chief Dan Boffey reports the government is making a last-minute diplomatic push to persuade the EU to start talking before March next year. It faces an uphill struggle. “The European Council is going to need until March to have its guidelines in place for Michel Barnier to negotiate phase 2,” an EU diplomat tells him. “Member states will be extremely reluctant to negotiate before those guidelines are in place.”
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Enterprise_1701C

Tromking wrote: »

Germany has a strategic national interest like any other country, it’s geography and history probably means that it sees that its national interest and security is best served as a major player in a supranational entity like the EU. If they can pull it off and as long as it doesn’t unduly effect my country and our European neighbours, then good luck to them.
The potential loss of the UK from the EU was a major geopolitical faux pas by Merkel and makes the possibility of a Federal EU that bit more problematic.

That's just it, it is seriously affecting our European neighbours, look what it has done to Greece, Italy is in real financial trouble, Portugal and Spain are having problems, and France and Germany are now split as to what to do about the Eurozone, whether to tighten or loosen rules.

The Euro is destroying most countries in the eu, as far as I can tell this is all it could ever do because it is controlled by Germany with a relatively strong economy, and it gives no flexibility for any other countries' currency to float to a more natural level.

I am rather glad we are out now, pretty sure that we would have been forced to join the euro in 2020, Germany want all eu countries to be in the euro by then, and yes I know we had an opt-out, but opt-outs have a habit of disappearing without trace in the eu.

Herzlos

Ballard wrote: »

When all's said and done it's not going to stop us leaving the EU so I'm not sure why some Brexiteers (such as Farage) as up in arms about it.

Farage is only interested in being a somebody and having people to listen to him. His speech in the EU parliament the other day was a prime example of it - 3 minutes of smug prattling with absolutely no point.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

No, of course not. What's the next question to which you already know the answer?

What gets to me is that some people seem to think we can call the whole thing off and there with be no repercussions, which is obviously not the case. The decision has been taken and we will have to deal with consequences.

System

posh*spice wrote: »

Half the papers don't have this vote on their front page tomorrow, shows how important this is and also how bored everyone is of Brexit and remoaners.

The Tories are in the lead in the latest YouGov poll. I can only see this getting wider.

Isn't that because half the papers are the Times, Telegraph, Sun and Express?

Arklight

I'm laughing at the comments in the Express this morning. They don't like it up 'em...


In actual fact this is just MPs getting a choice between whatever mess Theresa disMay manages to cobble together, or nothing. As it's hard to imagine even her managing to make WTO rules a better deal than something else I doubly it'll make much difference.


The feverish demands from the hate-media for a far right revolution is vile though. Surely even the Little Brexiters can see through that?

mayonnaise

Yesterday's vote in itself was not that important because it was merely a parliamentary process issue.
Where it is hugely important however, it sets a precedent. Going forward, Treeza can forget pushing anything through parliament that even vaguely smells of hard brexit. There is now clearly a majority for soft brexit or brexit in name only, or BINO.

Happy days.

Arklight

Looks like UKIP are coming back and that'll be the end of the Tories' majority at the next election.


Happier days

mayonnaise

ilovehouses wrote: »

If anyone finds themselves short of capital letters today it's because the Express have used them all.

Millions of Brits being tricked into buying FRENCH turkeys because of this EU loophole