Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

Aww you spoiled it now Thrugelmir and Setmefree, the remoaners were becoming more and more little like a poor imitation of an ancient Yes Minister episode.
What, with all this "no more 'hard Brexit' " faux remainerisms when we are on the way to leaving - and some have the temerity to call Brexiters the ones clutching at staws!
:rotfl:

Arriving at a European Council summit in Brussels on Thursday just hours after Ms May’s defeat, Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, said the UK would not be given the opportunity to renegotiate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-vote-parliament-european-council-xavier-betel-luxembourg-a8110376.html
"Hard" or "Soft" Brexit doesn't exist. All that will exist is deal or no deal, all depending upon the money. So "Hard" or "Soft" is in reality about whether we pay the EU or not, and basically everything else is just leading up to that.

setmefree2 wrote: »

[/I]


TM lost ground in the GE because of social care costs nothing to do with Brexit.....

Pssst.
Don't forget to mention the little fact that the opposition lost. Again.
Even when handed an opportunity on a plate, the main opposition STILL couldn't make enough inroads - so I think it fair to say they got the "drubbing", not the Tories. Even if they did deserve it.

wunferall

Even Donald Tusk seems to accept that the EU might struggle to maintain a cohesive front from here in.

“I have no doubt that the real test of our unity will be the second phase of Brexit talks,” Tusk told reporters.

He said divisions among EU countries were very visible on the future shape of the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU) and on migration.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk-unity/next-phase-of-brexit-talks-to-be-real-test-of-eu-unity-tusk-idUKKBN1E81GQ?il=0

wunferall

The EU is still struggling with the aftermath of the 2015 migrant crisis, when many refugees from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan sought asylum in Europe.

Boatloads of migrants crossing the Mediterranean have stretched resources in Italy and Greece to their limits.

And so the EU have done what exactly?

EU leaders are bitterly divided over a quota scheme for housing migrants, as they gather for a summit in Brussels.

The European Commission devised a mandatory scheme to relocate 160,000 refugees - Syrians and Eritreans - from Italy and Greece to other EU countries. But so far only about 32,000 refugees have been transferred.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42352876
Very cohesive that, and a fine example of why such a "union" cannot ever be truly effective.

Tromking

setmefree2 wrote: »

The choice will be "Deal" or "No Deal"


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-vote-parliament-european-council-xavier-betel-luxembourg-a8110376.html

That'll be the PM of Luxemborg ;-)

What a surprise!
Many a supporter of Amendment 7 were saying in the Commons yesterday that the EU side won't be so inflexible as deny the UK a chance to re-visit the deal if its rejected by the UK Parliament. Now we know.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Hardly surprising. I doubt the EU want to waste any more time on us than they have to. Plus, when it comes to negotiating re-entry from WTO, they'll hold even more cards.

Get building that hard border Dublin, there's a good little EU soldier you!

fewgroats

Given the problems with flying and using ferries I believe the EU think a no deal is a red herring, we won't take it.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4714525/airlines-start-selling-post-brexit-tickets-but-warn-they-cant-guarantee-the-flights-will-be-able-to-take-off-if-we-leave-eu-with-no-deal/

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

I have made a note that now a soft brexit is looking more likely you'd like the term to be abandoned. For later face saving I assume - I'll monitor with interest.

It might just sink in one day that there is no such thing. There is only "in" or "out" and the UK chose to be out.
"Soft" Brexit is no more than a remainer dream of retaining (in some way) as much as they can of EU membership.
Time to let go those shirt-tails.

There is no such thing as hard or soft Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/f7764e16-5635-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4

Theresa May: It’s not about hard or soft Brexit

https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-its-not-about-hard-or-soft-brexit/

The biggest problem with Soft Brexit is that it's not attainable

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/16/biggest-problem-soft-brexit-not-attainable/

There's lots more but I suspect all will be ignored anyway, as is the classic remainer habit.
Go on now, you can do it.
Be brave.
Let go those EU shirt-tails.

mayonnaise

wunferall wrote: »

It might just sink in one day that there is no such thing. There is only "in" or "out" and the UK chose to be out.
"Soft" Brexit is no more than a remainer dream of retaining (in some way) as much as they can of EU membership.
Time to let go those shirt-tails.

https://www.ft.com/content/f7764e16-5635-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4

https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-its-not-about-hard-or-soft-brexit/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/16/biggest-problem-soft-brexit-not-attainable/

There's lots more but I suspect all will be ignored anyway, as is the classic remainer habit.
Go on now, you can do it.
Be brave.
Let go those EU shirt-tails.

One link opinion by Bernard Jenkin - staunch brexiteer MP
One link opinion from Gerard Lyons - economist for Brexit.
And a link to Treeza not denying at all there's such a thing as a hard or soft brexit.
You can do better, AMSJ.
Go on now, give it a try.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

A sensible brexit means a sensible brexit.

Probably involves a conscious alignment vertical engagement with the single market we'll need to be in (I need to work on that because it spells cave in). It won't fool the bright sparks here but it'll fool enough

It won’t fool many if it doesn’t address FoM. After all, it’s all those brown faces that made the masses angry (copyright gfplux)

Yes, she's still just about there - she'll be delighted with that ringing endorsement. We've been through all this before - if anyone wants to believe the tears she shed on election night were tears of joy I'll leave them to it.

The Lib-Dems didn't get anything from a calling it off campaign because they were still the Lib-Dems. I'm sure there were plenty of people who wanted to call it off but there are limits!

We're all leavers now.

There’s no ringing endorsement because nothing is agreed until everything is agreed remember. Perhaps in the final analysis even you might give some credit given the scale of task.

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

One link opinion by Bernard Jenkin - staunch brexiteer MP
One link opinion from Gerard Lyons - economist for Brexit.
And a link to Treeza not denying at all there's such a thing as a hard or soft brexit.
You can do better, AMSJ.
Go on now, give it a try.

What's that?
Is it hypocrisy or is it just plain double standards as usual since it seems that satire you encourage, yet opinion (which after all is pretty much what the entire forum is about) you do not?
Just like your fascination with AMSJ which doesn't extend as far as whoozit, burnt bread or others because after all, those support your delusions. Beware; even online stalking is now a crime.

You can always tell when a point has hit home, so predictable is the response.
*Sigh*
How I wish I had more time so that I too could intersperse threads with belittling, off-topic retorts throughout the day.