Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

posh*spice

mrschaucer wrote: »

As far as I can see the BBC are totally ignoring this so far ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-politics-spd-europe/german-spd-leader-seeks-united-states-of-europe-by-2025-idUSA5N1JY01W
and
https://www.ft.com/content/ec2a8982-db4a-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482
Schulz is making this a condition of future talks with Angela Merkel. Any country which doesn't want to sign up to the USE would automatically leave the eu.

It's all well and good wanting more federalism but none of them ever call for a more democratic system too. They just want to take power from the masses and pop it in to the hands of a few beuacrats.

Stinks.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

ilovehouses wrote: »

Day one of the negotiations. Davis agreed that unless there were separate agreements on citizens rights, the divorce bill and the Irish border then trade negotiations wouldn't begin.

Those 3 agreements are done and dusted before trade talks. They're not agreed subject to us liking the eventual trade deal.

You must know this is utter rubbish, surely? Not even the EU has asked for "done and dusted" agreements before trade talks. All they have asked for is "sufficient progress" in negotiations.

mrschaucer

It's all well and good wanting more federalism but none of them ever call for a more democratic system too. They just want to take power from the masses and pop it in to the hands of a few beuacrats.

No, really, it's all going to be just fine and dandy on the democracy front because

The drafting process of such a constitutional treaty, Schulz said, should involve citizens across the Continent. Once drafted, it would “be presented to the member states, and those who are against it will simply leave the EU,” he said, adding that Poland was already systematically undermining European values and Hungary was increasingly isolating itself.
https://www.politico.eu/article/spds-martin-schulz-wants-united-states-of-europe-by-2025/

So don't worry, "citizens" will be "involved". Phew. And there's you thinking that it would all be popped into the hands of a few bureaucrats. Tsk.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

You should remember that 'sufficient progress' is judged by the EU and not Davis

No not by the EU, but any representative member state. As anyone of them can object to anything they wish.

phillw

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

This is pure invention on your part. Davis has consistently said that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed- which is what Article 50 requires.

What Davis says and reality are two completely different things.

If we don't pay the money we owe then the EU will sue us in our own courts. The courts rely on law, not flag waving, to determine who should pay what. If we signed contracts to say we would pay then that is it.

I'm not sure the UK government would risk the embarrassment of that. Even though they seem to think that the threat of doing it is in some way a bargaining chip.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

So is the divorce bill a standalone deal or dependent upon whether we like the trade deal we eventually agree?

I don’t know. I wasn’t in the room when the talks were going on. But dependent or not it makes absolutely no difference to the final analysis.

phillw

ilovehouses wrote: »

So is the divorce bill a standalone deal or dependent upon whether we like the trade deal we eventually agree?

It's supposed to be a stand alone deal & we're supposed to have agreement on that before they'll move on.

However the UK government are trying to use it as leverage. I don't know if that is more for the daily mail and sun readers benefit than any kind of negotiating stance.

Theresa May said we had to leave the european court so we could send people back to where they came from, even though that meant they would be tortured or killed. She didn't realise that our UN membership prevents that too. So I have zero confidence that she understands quite what is going on around her.

Hammonds point that we have to pay it or nobody will ever trust us again is spot on.

Herzlos

May trying to pretend the money is tied to a trade deal is purely to placate the Leave voters; it's clear noone expects the UK to not pay

System

I find it incredible that people still place any kind of trust in what David Davis says.

LHW99

Brexit fears for cancer patients over Euratom uncertainty

Unable to read the link, as its behind a paywall, and can't seem to find it elsewhere. I am no expert in this field, however, my understanding of this is that the issue for medial isotopes is more to do with the Canadian shutdown of production, which is causing problems generally.
There is I believe a project to create some isotopes within the UK, manufactured by non-reactor means.
http://www.alliancemedical.com/news/artms-products-inc-partners-with-alliance-medical-to-modernize-stabilize-uk-medical-isotope