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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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This latest omnishambles could of course be part of that cunning plan to appear as incompetent as possible in order to lull the EU into a false sense of security?[
...and it appears Mayhem doesn't seem to be communicating her stance that well with her Brexiteer hardliners. Just as I was saying to Jock above
:-Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0 -
why should the UK be the main sponge to absorb Europe's unemployment?.
It isn't. Several other countries in the EU absorb more people than the UK.
However, even if it was, with unemployment at 40 year lows clearly the UK economy is absorbing all the labour from the EU it is getting and then some.
Why do you want to starve the UK economy of vitally needed young workers and create labour shortages?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
mayonnaise wrote: »This latest omnishambles could of course be part of that cunning plan to appear as incompetent as possible in order to lull the EU into a false sense of security?
Yes, the cunning plan just gets more cunning.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
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...and it appears Mayhem doesn't seem to be communicating her stance that well with her Brexiteer hardliners. Just as I was saying to Jock above
Arlene Foster explained yesterday that despite asking for the proposed text 5 weeks ago, she did not see it until Monday, after May had gone it to see Juncker. The reason? The Irish government had told May not to share it with the DUP until then.0 -
Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »Arlene Foster explained yesterday that despite asking for the proposed text 5 weeks ago, she did not see it until Monday, after May had gone it to see Juncker. The reason? The Irish government had told May not to share it with the DUP until then.
In Arlene Foster's world everything is always a plot by the Irish.
It defies belief that the Irish would order Theresa May not to share the information with the DUP and she would actually obey them.
If Theresa May didn't share the text with the DUP, it is because Theresa May didn't want to share the text with the DUP.0 -
It defies belief that the Irish would order Theresa May not to share the information with the DUP and she would actually obey them.
Why does it defy belief? The EU has given the Irish government a veto over the talks moving to the next stage. May is not in a position to refuse their instructions, until she walks away.0 -
I have to admit I've never seen any hints of that attitude from anyone who was of service age during WW2. Maybe they just don't talk about it.
I've seen plenty from people who were born 10 or 20 years afterwards, though.
I think most people who lived through WW2 just want there not to be a WW3.
While the official narrative of WW2 is one of heroically standing against foreign tyranny (what war doesn't have this as its official narrative?), the reports of people who actually fought and died were more of weary resignation that the toffs had caused yet another colossal mess that could only be solved by millions of people dying.
This led to the rise of the Labour movement and the creation of the NHS. People wanted something back, they were going to get it and the people driving around in Bentley's and living in stately homes were going to pay for it.
The living standards of the working classes increased sharply when able bodied men weren't being sent off to fight and die in the Tropics to keep Lord Haw Haw's plundered goods moving.
Nevertheless there seems to be a lot of jingoism in some of the boomer generations for some reason. Maybe they were more exposed to anxiety caused by Britain's collapse of empire in the post war years. Some kind of worry that they'd been born into an "important country" but wouldn't die in one.0 -
Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »Why does it defy belief? The EU has given the Irish government a veto over the talks moving to the next stage. May is not in a position to refuse their instructions, until she walks away.
Their veto is over the terms of the deal on the border, not with how the UK government manages its own internal business, I know people are desperate to absolve our government of the multiple mistakes which have been made and blame the EU for every problem we encounter but that doesn't always stand up to serious scrutiny.
Listen to David Davis making a fool of himself at the Brexit committee today if you don't believe me.
Theresa May seems to be of the opinion that if she just doesn't talk to people she can somehow ignore their objections and problems with her decisions.
Assuming she isn't completely politically tone-deaf (which is increasingly looking like an aggressive assumption) she must have known full well the DUP weren't going to be happy with the agreement, I could have told her that and I'm not a politician, but she tried to push it through anyway.
It is pitiful for the government/DUP to then try to blame Ireland to cover up the government's all too obvious weakness.0 -
I think most people who lived through WW2 just want there not to be a WW3.
While the official narrative of WW2 is one of heroically standing against foreign tyranny (what war doesn't have this as its official narrative?), the reports of people who actually fought and died were more of weary resignation that the toffs had caused yet another colossal mess that could only be solved by millions of people dying.
This led to the rise of the Labour movement and the creation of the NHS. People wanted something back, they were going to get it and the people driving around in Bentley's and living in stately homes were going to pay for it.
The living standards of the working classes increased sharply when able bodied men weren't being sent off to fight and die in the Tropics to keep Lord Haw Haw's plundered goods moving.
Nevertheless there seems to be a lot of jingoism in some of the boomer generations for some reason. Maybe they were more exposed to anxiety caused by Britain's collapse of empire in the post war years. Some kind of worry that they'd been born into an "important country" but wouldn't die in one.
A rudimentary grasp of 20th century history not your strongpoint it would appear.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
Listen to David Davis making a fool of himself at the Brexit committee today if you don't believe me.
Unbelievable.Q: Did the government undertake an assessment of leaving the customs union before the cabinet took that decision?
Not a quantitative one, no, says Davis.
Q: Isn’t that extraordinary?
No, says Davis.Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0
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