Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

ROI with the backing of the other 26 fully expect the UK to accept their terms. For instance David Davis is today talking up the possibility of all the UK accepting EU regulations permanently in any future deal. It's the simplest option but of course it means we'll be accepting EU regulations on everything we import but due to brexit will have no say on what those regulations are.

Are you making up your own interpretation like the Irish & EU did yesterday? Look how that turned out.

Here's what DD actually said.

Speaking in the House of Commons, David Davis told MPs: “Alignment isn’t harmonisation, it isn’t having exactly the same rules, it’s sometimes having mutually recognised rules, mutually recognised inspections, that sort of thing. That’s what we are aiming for.”

http://www.businessinsider.sg/david-davis-says-the-uk-will-stay-aligned-to-eu-trade-rules-after-brexit-2017-12/

Since we already have these mutually-recognised rules in place, don't try to make mountains out of molehills.

Mr Davis insisted there was a crucial difference, which was that “regulatory alignment” would not mean “harmonisation” on trade, or having “exactly the same rules”.

The UK would still be “choosing our own laws”, he argued

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-david-davis-uk-eu-customs-union-northern-ireland-soft-deal-leave-single-market-a8092956.html

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Are you making up your own interpretation like the Irish & EU did yesterday? Look how that turned out.

Here's what DD actually said.

http://www.businessinsider.sg/david-davis-says-the-uk-will-stay-aligned-to-eu-trade-rules-after-brexit-2017-12/

Since we already have these mutually-recognised rules in place, don't try to make mountains out of molehills.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-david-davis-uk-eu-customs-union-northern-ireland-soft-deal-leave-single-market-a8092956.html

Ha ha ...he's gamely trying to fight his way out of a corner by putting a different spin by saying alignment and harmonisation are different. Adam Lent, director of the New Local Government Network, has a good follow up. Adam Lent (@adamjlent) If 'regulatory alignment' is not the same as regulatory harmonisation, as David Davis is claiming, then surely you ultimately end up with regulatory disalignment sooner or later. Why would EU agree to a deep trade deal and soft Irish border on that basis?. .....of course Adam Lent is right. It's basic common sense!

wunferall

Ha ha ha ha, yes right.
Have a read of this.
It pretty much sums it up.

Ireland, the EU is playing you like a fiddle

As an Irish citizen currently mortified beyond description by the the weaponisation of Ireland’s border concerns against Brits’ democratic vote for Brexit, I have only one thing to say to this EU love for Paddies: pass me the sickbag. The EU respects Ireland’s borders and national integrity like a shark respects a seal. Is the crisis of historical memory now so pronounced that we have forgotten how the EU treated Ireland when its people had the temerity to vote against the Nice Treaty and the Lisbon Treaty?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/ireland-the-eu-is-playing-you-like-a-fiddle/

Filo25

wunferall wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha, yes right.
Have a read of this.
It pretty much sums it up.

Ireland, the EU is playing you like a fiddle

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/ireland-the-eu-is-playing-you-like-a-fiddle/

I thought the EU only cared about the money so as the UK has folded on that one now why on earth would they want to delay the progression of the talks to the next phase with a manufactured controversy about the RoI/NI border.

Can people at least be consistent about what the EU's nefarious motives are, its hard to keep track of all their supposed evil schemes on here.

The border is a big issue for people on both sides of it, (I spent my early years living in NI), so hardly a shock that the Republic's government is looking for assurances on the issue

The EU seems to have more respect for Ireland and its sovereignty than some in the UK do these days, judging by the tone of comments in our national media.

mayonnaise

wunferall wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha, yes right.
Have a read of this.
It pretty much sums it up.

Ireland, the EU is playing you like a fiddle

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/ireland-the-eu-is-playing-you-like-a-fiddle/

Ha ha ha
A blog rant from Brexiteer Brendan O'Neill.
(or as you used to phrase it in a previous life; opinion )
Why don't we check how the Irish feel about being played like a fiddle?

Poll suggests 88% of Irish people want Ireland in EU

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/
That pretty much sums it up. :rotfl:

Eric_the_half_a_bee

So, it turns out that the DUP did not see the proposed text until yesterday, because the Irish government had refused to let May share it with them.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/dec/05/theresa-may-struggles-to-rescue-brexit-deal-as-dublin-says-it-wont-back-down-politics-live

We are negotiating with untrustworthy people.

wunferall

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

We are negotiating with untrustworthy people.

That sounds remarkably like many of the remainers here in this thread.
Doesn't it (you know who I mean)?

As has been said elsewhere, the "charter" of many of such remainers: if you can't negotiate/debate using fact and reason then turn to derision, scorn and lies.
It seems that they really are incapable of understanding that these are the tactics which cost them the referendum and led to Brexit.

Rough_Justice

mayonnaise wrote: »

Ha ha ha
A blog rant from Brexiteer Brendan O'Neill.
(or as you used to phrase it in a previous life; opinion )
Why don't we check how the Irish feel about being played like a fiddle?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/
That pretty much sums it up. :rotfl:

The only one ranting TBH seems to be you, especially since your poll is way out of date being from May. Lots has changed since then and Brexit hasn't actually cost your average Irishman much - yet.

Why not wait and see how the Irish appreciate having their economy decimated by Brexit as a result of Irish/EU intransigence? The Irish themselves estimate it will cost them minimum 40,000 jobs/2% higher unemployment and cost them many millions in lost trade, especially of agricultural products.
Then ask yourself how many times the EU made Ireland vote before they accepted their policies, such as the Lisbon Treaty?
You really should keep more up-to-date.
It looks like NI's Jim Allister is spot-on so far.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-dublin-will-be-big-loser-if-it-overplays-hand-and-theres-no-eu-deal-tuvs-allister-36372035.html

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

That sounds remarkably like many of the remainers here in this thread.
Doesn't it (you know who I mean)?

As has been said elsewhere, the "charter" of many of such remainers: if you can't negotiate/debate using fact and reason then turn to derision, scorn and lies.
It seems that they really are incapable of understanding that these are the tactics which cost them the referendum and led to Brexit.

What cost the referendum was a cess pool of lies, propaganda, hate, and xenophobic fearmongering from the Right.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

The only one ranting TBH seems to be you, especially since your poll is way out of date being from May. Lots has changed since then and Brexit hasn't actually cost your average Irishman much - yet.

Why not wait and see how the Irish appreciate having their economy decimated by Brexit as a result of Irish/EU intransigence? The Irish themselves estimate it will cost them minimum 40,000 jobs/2% higher unemployment and cost them many millions in lost trade, especially of agricultural products.
Then ask yourself how many times the EU made Ireland vote before they accepted their policies, such as the Lisbon Treaty?
You really should keep more up-to-date.
It looks like NI's Jim Allister is spot-on so far.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-dublin-will-be-big-loser-if-it-overplays-hand-and-theres-no-eu-deal-tuvs-allister-36372035.html

So what do you propose Eire does? Joins the UK? Join a customs union with the uk?