Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

mayonnaise wrote: »

Shelving Brexit sounds wonderful but I'm afraid I'm not as optimistic as you, Tromking.
What needs to (and probably will) happen is to wean off that ridiculous idea that in order to Brexit properly we need to exit SM and CU.
Heck, even the Leave campaign presented the Norway option as viable.
Referendum mandate (leaving EU) fulfilled, Ireland border solved, UK economy avoids the worst damage, everybody happy.(*)

(*) Everybody apart from a handful Tory extremist blowhards and half a dozen MSE accounts directed by one and the same poster, but that's another matter.

Sounds like a winner mayo.
Do you think that the two major factors of
A. Being able to do our own trade deals and
B. Being able to manage our own immigration

...will also be part of this plan?

I mean if the tories could pull that off then it would be the absolute cake-and-eat-it solution that was apparently impossible. So I guess you think that one or both of those are going out the window.

mayonnaise

mrginge wrote: »

Sounds like a winner mayo.

Thanks mrginge!

mrginge wrote: »

Do you think that the two major factors of
A. Being able to do our own trade deals and
B. Being able to manage our own immigration

...will also be part of this plan?

A. You calling the ability to do our own trade deals 'a major factor' doesn't make it one. It's a red herring. The average disaffected Brexit voter doesn't give a flying fig about the ability to do trade deals.

By the way, Eurozone economies seem to be perfectly capable of significantly ramping up trade with non-EU countries despite being 'shackled' to a Union that doesn't manage to conclude any trade deals (according to some on here ).
https://insights.abnamro.nl/en/2017/11/global-daily-euro-exports-to-brics-booming/
I imagine we'll end up with a 'non-divergence' or 'close alignment' scenario. The government seems to like these terms.

B. We'll probably end up with bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate before the referendum i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits...etc...

Herzlos

mayonnaise wrote: »

B. We'll probably end up with bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate before the referendum i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits...etc...

..can't we already do that?

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"

The only advantage I see in offering £50Bn is that when trade discussions start and the EU say (and they will) "We're not giving you this... we're not giving you that... you're going to have to jump through this hoop...." we can say "The £50Bn is for everything, if you're not offering this it's £40Bn... if you won't agree that it's £30Bn.... etc.

UK will pay Brexit divorce bill even if no trade deal reached with EU, Hammond says.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-divorce-bill-pay-no-trade-deal-philip-hammond-theresa-may-eu-latest-a8095201.html

tracey3596

mayonnaise wrote: »

UK will pay Brexit divorce bill even if no trade deal reached with EU, Hammond says.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-divorce-bill-pay-no-trade-deal-philip-hammond-theresa-may-eu-latest-a8095201.html

Nice headline ................ but NOT what has actually been said.
Gotta love the meedja and the sheeples that fall for their misdirections.
Or can you maybe show a direct quote from Hammond saying that?

For the remain crew that apparently can't read, what was actually said was that it is “inconceivable that we would walk away from obligations”. And we all know just how variable the interpretation of "obligations" could end up being.

I see that the infantile playground taunting and back-slapping from remainers has been feverish in its intensity today. Can they really not debate without insulting and baiting?
It looks like these remainers are feeling worried, as it is looking like the UK will not submit to the domineering EU and we are seeing a no-deal creep closer.
DD warned it is possible only a few weeks ago and even Barnier & co. are now preparing for just such an outcome.
Hurrah say I for one.

Roll on yet another supposed deadline from the EU which will undoubtedly end in stalemate so that we may at last say "enough!" and leave them to their own devices.
No doubt those very same remainers will try to tell us that the alleged 50 billion or whatever it is that the EU are trying to screw out of the UK will not go far in recompense for turning to WTO rules. If that is the case, no doubt they can provide some kind of substantiation. Just for once.

Oh and as for the gleeful cries of "Davies says he hasn't planned" well personally I would rather they concentrate on working to facts rather than wasting time and money on imponderables.
There are quite enough remainers wasting much of their time and energy on that IMHO. This thread alone is proof of that.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Any forecast would have been...........

No one is arguing that any assessment might be accurate or not. This issue is about truth. David Davis said that detailed assessments had been made and they had not.
He apparently believes if you tell a big lie, repeat it and then deny it with a straight face no one will notice......or care.

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

Nice headline ................ but NOT what has actually been said.
Gotta love the meedja and the sheeples that fall for their misdirections.
Or can you maybe show a direct quote from Hammond saying that?

For the remain crew that apparently can't read, what was actually said was that it is “inconceivable that we would walk away from obligations”. And we all know just how variable the interpretation of "obligations" could end up being.

I see that the infantile playground taunting and back-slapping from remainers has been feverish in its intensity today. Can they really not debate without insulting and baiting?
It looks like these remainers are feeling worried, as it is looking like the UK will not submit to the domineering EU and we are seeing a no-deal creep closer.
DD warned it is possible only a few weeks ago and even Barnier & co. are now preparing for just such an outcome.
Hurrah say I for one.

Roll on yet another supposed deadline from the EU which will undoubtedly end in stalemate so that we may at last say "enough!" and leave them to their own devices.
No doubt those very same remainers will try to tell us that the alleged 50 billion or whatever it is that the EU are trying to screw out of the UK will not go far in recompense for turning to WTO rules. If that is the case, no doubt they can provide some kind of substantiation. Just for once.

Oh and as for the gleeful cries of "Davies says he hasn't planned" well personally I would rather they concentrate on working to facts rather than wasting time and money on imponderables.
There are quite enough remainers wasting much of their time and energy on that IMHO. This thread alone is proof of that.

Tracey, we are on different sides of the argument but why do you say "leave them to their own devices"

Surely even those in favour of Brexit know that walking away without a deal on -

Citizens rights
The financial settlement
The Irish border
No Trade deal
Plus the other hundreds of things that need agreeing from pet passports to isotopes for cancer treatment.

Will create a dreadful situation in Britain. Sorry for the word dreadful as I am trying not to over egg the result of "walking away" for Britain, its Industry and its Citizens.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

He apparently believes if you tell a big lie, repeat it and then deny it with a straight face no one will notice......or care.

Sounds like any number of politicians, present and past.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Will create a dreadful situation in Britain. Sorry for the word dreadful as I am trying not to over egg the result of "walking away" for Britain, its Industry and its Citizens.

The Irish border issue actually illustrates the deep divisions that lie all across Europe. Steamrollering people isn't the method to create a united Europe. A minority Irish Government stats playing political football to protect it's own interests. Not at all healthy.

System

If you're gonna run multiple accounts you might want to avoid catchphrases that only you say.

Just saying