Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

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"OECD Joins list of people to ignore, says brexit voters"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-oecd-economic-forecast-paris-gdp-eu-european-union-a8079586.html

Filo25

Tromking wrote: »

Ireland is a proxy, this is about the EU not wanting to play ball.
Well done Dublin for being a good little soldier for the EU.

I can't say I see much reason for the usual anti-EU paranoia on this one, Ireland is more concerned that that the EU will pull the rug out from under them on this one than they are being railroaded into their current stance.

I doubt the EU big guns really care too much about whether there is a hard border between RoI and NI post Brexit, but it is obviously a massive issue for Ireland though for a number of reasons..

I'm sure everyone in Ireland is happy to hear that the UK government doesn't want a hard border post Brexit, but they would probably be a lot happier if they actually heard concrete proposals on how that will be made to happen.

mrginge

Filo25 wrote: »

I can't say I see much reason for the usual anti-EU paranoia on this one, Ireland is more concerned that that the EU will pull the rug out from under them on this one than they are being railroaded into their current stance.

I doubt the EU big guns really care too much about whether there is a hard border between RoI and NI post Brexit, but it is obviously a massive issue for Ireland though for a number of reasons..

I have a good friend who is an ex-pat serial moaner and he tells me that the EU27 are completely united so it’s refreshing to hear an alternative view.

I'm sure everyone in Ireland is happy to hear that the UK government doesn't want a hard border post Brexit, but they would probably be a lot happier if they actually heard concrete proposals on how that will be made to happen.

I was under the impression that there were two sides to a land border so as much as i’m interested In the UKs plans, it may also be helpful to hear the Irish government’s proposal aswell.

Filo25

mrginge wrote: »

I have a good friend who is an ex-pat serial moaner and he tells me that the EU27 are completely united so it’s refreshing to hear an alternative view.



I was under the impression that there were two sides to a land border so as much as i’m interested In the UKs plans, it may also be helpful to hear the Irish government’s proposal aswell.

I'm not sure what exactly Ireland can offer in terms of flexibility, they will remain in the EU, the Single Market and the Customs Union, so their border status is pretty fixed, if all of the UK including NI is outside the Single Market and Customs Union then there is clearly a bit of an issue to be resolved for both movement of goods and people.

mrginge

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm not sure what exactly Ireland can offer in terms of flexibility, they will remain in the EU, the Single Market and the Customs Union, so their border status is pretty fixed, if all of the UK including NI is outside the Single Market and Customs Union then there is clearly a bit of an issue to be resolved for both movement of goods and people.

If you say the Irish position is fixed then it would appear that a hard border is inevitable. And such a hard border will be entirely due to the EUs intransigence.

Filo25

mrginge wrote: »

If you say the Irish position is fixed then it would appear that a hard border is inevitable. And such a hard border will be entirely due to the EUs intransigence.

The only way Ireland's position could be flexible was if they left the EU which oddly enough they don't want to do.

No doubt they will try to reach some sort of compromise, but it''s the UK which has chosen to leave the Single market and Customs Union, and in spite of all the warm words I don't see how taking back control of our own borders is compatible with an open border with the EU in Ireland.

This was always going to be an issue, plenty pointed it out pre-referendum, it was not exactly a high priority issue to many English voters though which I also understand, I mainly care about it as I am from NI originally and have family still living there.

Maybe it would have been less of an issue if Theresa May hadn't messed up the election so badly, in which case she could just have given NI some kind of special status and moved on, but that would never fly for the DUP whose support she now needs so desperately.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Interesting....

An open ended formula that leaves the door open for Britain to pay the EU very substantial sums, billions a year, for decades to come.

I can hear the Brexiteers seething with impotent rage already - guess they'll need a new slogan for the bus next time around.

Still a good start, now on to Ireland, Citizens rights, and then the Trade/Migration discussions.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

mrginge wrote: »

If you say the Irish position is fixed then it would appear that a hard border is inevitable. And such a hard border will be entirely due to the EUs intransigence.

Brexiteers: "WE WANT TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS! WE MUST HAVE TOTAL CONTROL! NO SINGLE MARKET OR CUSTOMS UNION! SECURE THE BORDER AND CHECK EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING!"

Ireland: "Grand... So what’re you going to do about this one then? You know, the only land border between the EU's single market and customs union and the UK. The one where goods flow freely and people could just walk from the EU into the UK or vice versa with no passport or security checks whatsoever. Wouldn't leaving it wide open and unmanned defeat the point of all that lovely 'control'?"

Brexiteers: "EU INTRANSIGENCE!!! EU INTRANSIGENCE!!!

fatbeetle

Oh grow up. Is it any wonder that the remain side lost, when all they have to offer is childishness and banal accusations?

Moby

fatbeetle wrote: »

Oh grow up. Is it any wonder that the remain side lost, when all they have to offer is childishness and banal accusations?

I agree it's no laughing matter when you suffer the indignity of seeing your country become a laughing stock on the international stage and realise as a tax payer you'll be contributing to a divorce settlement of over 50 billion for something you didn't want anyway.