Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

posh*spice

In the event of a WTO Brexit the EU will require the RoI to pay for the border :D

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Because it's the best option for everyone?


I may not have had any sleep, but I'm completely failing to spot the problem here.

Yep, you need to get your head down.
Giving Dublin access to the UK internal market via NI is not surprisingly a red line for the UK Government and the DUP. Just think about it.

mayonnaise

posh*spice wrote: »

We should all stop buying Irish goods

Is this an extension to your 'Buy British' campaign where you persuaded countless British consumers to swap Aldi and LIDL for Tesco and Sainsbury's? :rotfl:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5486489

Tromking

posh*spice wrote: »

In the event of a WTO Brexit the EU will require the RoI to pay for the border :D

The Irish Government’s position is ludicrous. The UK’s stated position is the offer of a soft border with the ROI in line with our historical close economic ties of around 90 years, this isn’t compatible with Ireland’s membership of the EU and the wider EU negotiations with the other members of the EU27, so Dublin accuses the UK of risking the GFA by not having a plan.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Now your being disingenuous.
Why does Dublin want NI to remain in the customs union and free trade area and ergo keep access to the UK internal market?

Tromking, I just have to assume you have forgotten that much of the food products that are exported by both NI and ROI are produced by criss crossing the border. This has been developed over many years particularly since the GF agreement. A hard or hardish border would creat huge problems for those producers. Keeping easy access to the UK market is worth nothing if the product can not be produced. The larger market for this product is the EU and presently it travels through Britain by truck.
For some reason quitters continue to think that Brexit is simple. So many of the disagreements on this thread are because it is not simple.
Perhaps that is the reason David Davis has made such a mess as he has and continues to believe it is all simple and easy.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Perhaps that is the reason David Davis has made such a mess as he has and continues to believe it is all simple and easy.

Whereas the EU continue to pretend that everything is incredibly difficult and there are no solutions. The Irish will wake up one day and realise that they are being used by the EU as their proxy over the border issue and that their interests are not being served by Brussels.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Yet foreign workers and students continue to flock to this oasis of xenophobia and latent racism in an otherwise tolerant continent in their droves.
Are these people stupid?

If they continue to come it is because Britain is in the EU.
Non EU immigrants were the ones quitters wanted to keep out and/or send home.
After March 2019 it will be more difficult for immigrants from the EU27 to come to work or study in the EU.
Will anything change for the immigrants, not from the EU27 that want to come to study or work in Britain

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Tromking, I just have to assume you have forgotten that much of the food products that are exported by both NI and ROI are produced by criss crossing the border. This has been developed over many years particularly since the GF agreement. A hard or hardish border would creat huge problems for those producers. Keeping easy access to the UK market is worth nothing if the product can not be produced. The larger market for this product is the EU and presently it travels through Britain by truck.
For some reason quitters continue to think that Brexit is simple. So many of the disagreements on this thread are because it is not simple.
Perhaps that is the reason David Davis has made such a mess as he has and continues to believe it is all simple and easy.

It's simple if you want it to be.

The only problem here is the EU. Give us a fair deal and the border becomes unnecessary. If Ireland want to sell their stuff in the UK they should be harassing the EU, not the UK.

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

We should all stop buying Irish goods, then the Irish won't have anything to worry about...

.....personally I'm getting really fed up with the bullying talk.

But I love Chedder.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

The Irish Government’s position is ludicrous. The UK’s stated position is the offer of a soft border with the ROI in line with our historical close economic ties of around 90 years, this isn’t compatible with Ireland’s membership of the EU and the wider EU negotiations with the other members of the EU27, so Dublin accuses the UK of risking the GFA by not having a plan.

I think there is a little matter of trust spoiling the party. Given Britain's Government don't speak with one voice who can trust what is said. The ROI and the EU want written guarantees. Even "The UK's stated position is the offer of a soft border" doesn't seem to be official.
Could you perhaps post a link to where this has been proposed recently. Thanks.