Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

I was under the impression that there were two sides to a land border so as much as i’m interested In the UKs plans, it may also be helpful to hear the Irish government’s proposal aswell.

I'm not sure what the Eire government can do without knowing what conditions will be like on the other side of the line. If we go for free trade with shared/cloned standards, then there's no reason to allow a completely open border and let the immigration paranoia be sorted on the mainland UK.

If we don't have free trade and standards vary (particularly if the UK lowers theirs), then there's no option but to have a hard checkpoint for customs checks. They may be able to get away with a "to declare / nothing to declare" lane split at the larger crossings with some random spot checks of the others, but that's essentially unworkable and hugely expensive.

mrginge

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Brexiteers: "WE WANT TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS! WE MUST HAVE TOTAL CONTROL! NO SINGLE MARKET OR CUSTOMS UNION! SECURE THE BORDER AND CHECK EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING!"

Ireland: "Grand... So what’re you going to do about this one then? You know, the only land border between the EU's single market and customs union and the UK. The one where goods flow freely and people could just walk from the EU into the UK or vice versa with no passport or security checks whatsoever. Wouldn't leaving it wide open and unmanned defeat the point of all that lovely 'control'?"

Brexiteers: "EU INTRANSIGENCE!!! EU INTRANSIGENCE!!!

Oh hamish you’re such a drama queen. Your little skit demonstrates exactly that the default position would be a hard border. The point being made is that although such a hard border is not ideal for either party, only one one party seems to be being asked to solve the problem.
Perhaps the UK should just say that we’ll stick to the CTA on our side and let Ireland decide if they want to follow suit.

System

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Interesting....

An open ended formula that leaves the door open for Britain to pay the EU very substantial sums, billions a year, for decades to come.

Sounds a lot like a membership fee that.

gfplux

.string. wrote: »

Buy real Cheddar!

Where does real cheddar come from?
Didn't you know that Ireland exports huge quantities of Chedder to Britain?

When shopping not only check the sell by date but check where your food comes from.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

We all know what a fair deal looks like. The EU aren't offering it.

If Ireland wish to be an EU colony so be it. They'll have to suffer the consequences

"WE ALL KNOW WHAT A FAIR DEAL LOOKS LIKE"

Well I don't. I don't think many people can describe what a fair deal is.
You can? OK let's hear it.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Where does real cheddar come from?
Didn't you know that Ireland exports huge quantities of Chedder to Britain?

When shopping not only check the sell by date but check where your food comes from.

As I'm sure you know, Cheddar is in Somerset, so real cheddar comes from small farms around there. However cheddar never got the protected foodstuff designation (can't think of the exact title) that links it to a region, like champagne, parmesan, etc.

So in reality you can get cheddar from all over the place. Canada, Ireland, USA, Australia... However one cheddar does have protected status: West Country Farmhouse Cheddar. So if you want the real authentic stuff, you should be buying that.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/protected-food-name-scheme-uk-registered-products

Impact of Brexit on protected names:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36624655

posh*spice

Rinoa wrote: »

Not sure about that. At first glance I'd say we're giving too much away.

Worth every penny.....

.....the dream is becoming real.

I expect there will be a lot os abusive posts from remainers today?

vivatifosi

I'm a remainer posh, though I think of myself more as a pragmatic realist. I am really happy that we've made the advance. It means that we are one step further away from crashing out with no deal.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm surprised you're so happy. It's quite a climbdown from your position where we tell the EU to do one and stop buying any of their products.

Are you any happier now a deal looks more likely, with these developments it appears a hard brexit is not governments preferred option.

System

ukcarper wrote: »

Are you any happier now a deal looks more likely, with these developments it appears a hard brexit is not governments preferred option.

I don't think it ever was their preferred option. As incompetent as they are they can at least be credited with more intellect that the "OUT MEANS OUT OMG" crowd.