Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Filo25

posh*spice wrote: »

Let's give our NHS £350 million a week - let's not not said Remoaners- let's give it to EU:beer: to save a few city jobs :beer:

I don't know where to start with stuff like this to be honest.....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Filo25 wrote: »

I don't know where to start with stuff like this to be honest.....

It's quite disturbing that some people can be so staggeringly ignorant of the facts.

Filo25

posh*spice wrote: »

"Peronally I won't get too excited about any loss of sovereignty to the EU"

There you have it right there...because I'd rather be ruled by unelected beuacrats in Brussells....because I'm Scottish,Welsh, Scouse or whatever

I don't care to be honest, I think our far bigger problem than supposed EU dictatorship is Westminster incompetence, our own government is responsible for most of the problems we face the EU has just made a handy scapegoat for plenty of years.

I don't see many people who supposedly care about loss of sovereignty and accountability wanting House of Lords reform, either, maybe I missed Rees Mogg and Johnson complaining about that, or maybe they are fine with unelected elites as long as they are the right sort of British unelected elites.

I'm originally from Northern Ireland (voted Remain) and now live in London (voted Remain) so oddly enough I or most people around I know don't feel particularly represented by current government policy on this either, such is democracy but it doesn't always feel particularly accountable to many of us.

People like yourself seem happy to use a narrow majority in a referendum to force through the hardest of hard Brexits, and completely ignore any alternative views, as I've said previously be careful what you wish for, follow that approach and you may end up back in the EU in 10 years on worse terms than we are now.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

You won't get another referendum.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/11/theresa-may-faces-defeat-mp-demanding-vote-on-brexit-deal

Don't be too sure on that.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/11/observer-view-on-britains-shambolic-brexit-negotiations
Just about sums us up really.

As Britain flounders under the baleful influence of a clique of Tory hard Brexiters, the diminution of its global reputation proceeds apace. We are in danger of becoming the incredible shrinking island, slowly sinking, flags flying, into North Atlantic mists. Recent comments by Wilbur Ross, the US commerce secretary, suggesting Britain must scrap key regulatory standards to secure a bilateral trade deal, show how potentially harmful are the Brexiters’ half-baked ideas about a future free trade paradise. Do they still believe Trump’s America, China or India will offer sweetheart deals at mates’ rates? Dream on. Bigger powers will ruthlessly exploit Britain’s growing, self-inflicted weakness and isolation. And the cost will be borne not by Tory wreckers but by those in Britain who can least afford it.

Ballard

posh*spice wrote: »

Let's give our NHS £350 million a week - let's not not said Remoaners- let's give it to EU:beer: to save a few city jobs :beer:

I hate to be the one to break it to you but as far as I can make out the idea of sending any significant extra money to the NHS appears to have been dropped.

Herzlos

posh*spice wrote: »

You know, my OH has always been puzzled by Brits feelings towards the Royal Family- allowing them so many liberties.

Remainers they remind me of Royalists - they allow the EU of so many liberties. £75 billion?????? What have you been drinking cos I want some.

Are you against us paying what we owe? Or do you still think this is just a bribe?

Herzlos

posh*spice wrote: »

I love how Remoaners only care about money. It has to be clear to even the village idiot that the EU is undemocratic, not one person at the centre of this drama has been elected - Barnier, Junker or Tusk.

Even if Remainers manage to overturn the result they are giving are future up to an institution that is no better than a medieval court. With the elites deciding everything without regard for ordinary folk.

Shame on you Remoaners.

Juncker, at least, was elected. Albeit in a slightly different way to our PM.
If you don't think he's right for the job then get your MEP to turn up for a change.

cogito

Moby wrote: »

You are naive if you think this is a negotiation.

We don't agree on many things but can agree on this one. Every fule no that the EU are not negotiating. I can't think of a single item where the EU have shown any flexibility whatsoever. Can you?

The other thing we can agree on is that we should settle our bill. How much to you think that should be? Whatever figure that the EU has plucked out of the air?

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/11/theresa-may-faces-defeat-mp-demanding-vote-on-brexit-deal

Don't be too sure on that.

That's about a vote in parliament not a referendum and I'd be very surprised when shove comes to push there would be enough rebels.