Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

posh*spice wrote: »

There won't be a deal to vote on either.

Unfortunately I think you could be right.

ess0two

Moby wrote: »

We definitely need a referendum on the deal. Leavers need to remember that we left because we were going to be richer outside the EU, so however much the EU might ‘punish’ us, we are still better off [as a remainer, I have never believed this, of course]. And if we are going to be better off, we should forget about the EU and just get on with showing how much better off we are for not being in the EU. Or if they now think leaving will hurt and that losing the benefits of EU membership will hurt, they should just come clean, say they were mistaken or that they lied and apologise to the rest of us.
As for cheering on the UK negotiators, well I am an EU citizen for a while longer, so the UK’s negotiators are the Leavers’ negotiators, not my negotiators. The 62% in my country and the 48% in the UK have no negotiators in this. So forget it. I have been lied to and although I did not fall for the lies, I still remember I have been lied to. The UK side can expect no cheering from me. I'll support anyone who has any power to sabotage this awful decision!

I voted leave, it wasn't to be richer as you put.

System

posh*spice wrote: »

I love the way Remoaners say they accept we are leaving the EU and then go on to say we should stay in the single market and customs union. That's not leaving.

I don't understand this at all. You can leave the EU without leaving the single market. This kind of comment is up there with the people who still think the earth is flat for me.

Sure maybe you interpreted the ballot differently, I get that, but legally and logically you've got nothing here.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

Well you can complain all you like, we will leave I'm sure the government would prefer not to leave on WTO terms but the ball is the EUs court.

The ball is in our court.

When May ups the settlement offer to a realistic figure, (£40-50Bn), and requests a multi-year transition period on broadly current terms, then the real negotiations can begin.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The ball is in our court.

When May ups the settlement offer to a realistic figure, (£40-50Bn), and requests a multi-year transition period on broadly current terms, then the real negotiations can begin.

I can see her upping the settlement offer and most people accepting that but not a long transition period.

If we offered £40Bn do you think EU would move on to next stage.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I can see her upping the settlement offer and most people accepting that but not a long transition period.

If we offered £40Bn do you think EU would move on to next stage.

The unknown now is how serious Ireland are about playing hardball over the Irish border situation, not a major issue in the rest of the UK but it s huge one for Ireland for many reasons.

Clearly there is no way the DUP are going to agree to the kind of deal which Ireland are currently suggesting.

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

The unknown now is how serious Ireland are about playing hardball over the Irish border situation, not a major issue in the rest of the UK but it s huge one for Ireland for many reasons.

Clearly there is no way the DUP are going to agree to the kind of deal which Ireland are currently suggesting.

I agree that is a major problem.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

I can see her upping the settlement offer and most people accepting that but not a long transition period.

She will up it.

The transition period will be at least 2 years. And then there will be phased extensions over many more years.

It will take 5-10 years to negotiate a comprehensive deal.

Of course by then we'll have a different government so who knows what will happen.

If we offered £40Bn do you think EU would move on to next stage.

A fair starting offer would be £40 billion plus our fees to remain in for the transition period.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

She will up it.

The transition period will be at least 2 years. And then there will be phased extensions over many more years.

It will take 5-10 years to negotiate a comprehensive deal.

Of course by then we'll have a different government so who knows what will happen.



A fair starting offer would be £40 billion plus our fees to remain in for the transition period.

So £57Bn to £74Bn depending on whether we get rebait back and if EU spending in UK continues, I suspect a lot of people wouldnt see that as fair.

posh*spice

I love how Remoaners only care about money. It has to be clear to even the village idiot that the EU is undemocratic, not one person at the centre of this drama has been elected - Barnier, Junker or Tusk.

Even if Remainers manage to overturn the result they are giving are future up to an institution that is no better than a medieval court. With the elites deciding everything without regard for ordinary folk.

Shame on you Remoaners.