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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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We've had a referendum and it's not just immigration, the government cannot just ignore the result.
The referendum was to leave our membership of the EU.
That democratic mandate will be satisfied by leaving the membership of the EU.
Staying in the single market, customs union, or continuing to allow the free flow of talented people between the UK and the EU was not on the ballot paper.
And when forced to choose, a majority believe the single market has to be the priority over immigration.
From the latest ComRes poll on the subject...Which should be the priority for the British Government when negotiating the UK's withdrawal from the EU?
Maintaining access to the single market so Britain can have free trade with the EU: 66%
Restricting the freedom of movement so immigration from the EU is reduced: 31%
And before anyone starts a gap that wide is well beyond any questions over polling accuracy.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I love the way Remoaners say they accept we are leaving the EU and then go on to say we should stay in the single market and customs union. That's not leaving.Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.0
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The referendum was to leave our membership of the EU.
That democratic mandate will be satisfied by leaving the membership of the EU.
Staying in the single market, customs union, or continuing to allow the free flow of talented people between the UK and the EU was not on the ballot paper.
And when forced to choose, a majority believe the single market has to be the priority over immigration.
From the latest ComRes poll on the subject...
And before anyone starts a gap that wide is well beyond any questions over polling accuracy.
So basically you want to ignore result , it might not of been on the paper but that's what people voted for.
A poll is not a referendum if it was we wouldn't be leaving.0 -
posh*spice wrote: »I love the way Remoaners say they accept we are leaving the EU and then go on to say we should stay in the single market and customs union. That's not leaving.
Of course it's leaving.
Remember all the Brexiteers were arguing it was all about 'sovereignty' and about not being 'subsumed by a federalist superstate'.;)
Leaving the EU removes any question of further political integration.
If you want a separate ballot on immigration you're welcome to start a campaign for one - because Brexit doesn't mean less immigration.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
So basically you want to ignore result , it might not of been on the paper but that's what voted for..
If some people didn't realise what they were voting for that's their own fault.
The ballot paper was clear. Nothing else was on it.
Like it or not, 37% of eligible voters voted to leave the EU, so we will now leave the EU.
However the government must now find a solution that best looks after the interests of the country as a whole and 100% of it's people. And that means not crashing the economy to keep a small minority of Brextremists happy.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Well you can complain all you like, we will leave I'm sure the government would prefer not to leave on WTO terms but the ball is the EUs court.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »If some people didn't realise what they were voting for that's their own fault.
The ballot paper was clear. Nothing else was on it.
Like it or not, 37% of eligible voters voted to leave the EU, so we will now leave the EU.
However the government must now find a solution that best looks after the interests of the country as a whole and 100% of it's people. And that means not crashing the economy to keep a small minority of Brextremists happy.0 -
We definitely need a referendum on the deal. Leavers need to remember that we left because we were going to be richer outside the EU, so however much the EU might ‘punish’ us, we are still better off [as a remainer, I have never believed this, of course]. And if we are going to be better off, we should forget about the EU and just get on with showing how much better off we are for not being in the EU. Or if they now think leaving will hurt and that losing the benefits of EU membership will hurt, they should just come clean, say they were mistaken or that they lied and apologise to the rest of us.
As for cheering on the UK negotiators, well I am an EU citizen for a while longer, so the UK’s negotiators are the Leavers’ negotiators, not my negotiators. The 62% in my country and the 48% in the UK have no negotiators in this. So forget it. I have been lied to and although I did not fall for the lies, I still remember I have been lied to. The UK side can expect no cheering from me. I'll support anyone who has any power to sabotage this awful decision!0 -
We definitely need a referendum on the deal. Leavers need to remember that we left because we were going to be richer outside the EU, so however much the EU might ‘punish’ us, we are still better off [as a remainer, I have never believed this, of course]. And if we are going to be better off, we should forget about the EU and just get on with showing how much better off we are for not being in the EU. Or if they now think leaving will hurt and that losing the benefits of EU membership will hurt, they should just come clean, say they were mistaken or that they lied and apologise to the rest of us.
As for cheering on the UK negotiators, well I am an EU citizen for a while longer, so the UK’s negotiators are the Leavers’ negotiators, not my negotiators. The 62% in my country and the 48% in the UK have no negotiators in this. So forget it. I have been lied to and although I did not fall for the lies, I still remember I have been lied to. The UK side can expect no cheering from me. I'll support anyone who has any power to sabotage this awful decision!
You won't get another referendum.0 -
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