Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

setmefree2

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

It's curious, isn't it, how it is obvious now that we have to pay, but wasn't obvious before the referendum?

To be fair Remainers always said the bill would be between £50 to £60 billion. I don't think it's the amounts that are the problem - it's making it legally binding.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

setmefree2 wrote: »

To be fair Remainers always said the bill would be between £50 to £60 billion.

They didn't mention the bill once before the referendum. Don't you find that odd?

setmefree2

posh*spice wrote: »

And The DUP will continue to support the government because of Varadakar's position, so. GE is unlikely anytime soon either.

Indeed. The DUP finds itself with a choice. But when push comes to shove are the DUP really going to side with the IRA loving Corbyn and McDonell?

setmefree2

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

They didn't mention the bill once before the referendum. Don't you find that odd?

The Remainers definitely did. It was one of their main arguments for not leaving. I voted Remain.

Ballard

Rinoa wrote: »

The divorce bill was only deamt up by Brussells after the referendum,when they realised the EU would fall apart without UK contributions.

It's not in the EU rule book. It has no legal standing. Neither 'project fear' nor ardent remainers such as youself ever referred to it before the referendum as an argument for staying in.

Now you think it perfectly reasonable to cough up £40/50/60Bn+ and be blackmailed without a fight, hoping they'll be kind and throw us a few scraps in the trade negotiations.

Well, some of us are made of sterner stuff.

I am not privy to any contracts that were signed by the UK but being as the current government has stated that we do have to pay the EU to satisfy our commitments I think that it's safe to say that we are under a legal obligation to do so. What that sum will be is a mystery to all of us at present.

I don't want us to pay it either but if we have an obligation then pay we must. We do want to arrange trade agreements outside of the EU so I would suggest that it would be wise for us to come to an agreement with the EU and pay whatever sum is mutually agreed.

I don't personally see this as blackmail but I dare say that I would if I took notice of what the likes of Farage spouted.

I don't recall whether or not this was brought up before the vote but I assume that you're correct and it was an afterthought. One thing repeatedly quoted by Remainers is that getting an agreement out of the EU would be tough because we have 27 countries to satisfy. The contra argument was that they need us more than we need them. It's still a little while before we actually leave but at present they seem to be holding all the cards to me.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

setmefree2 wrote: »

The Remainers definitely did. It was one of their main arguments for not leaving. I voted Remain.

Really? Which Remainers mentioned a divorce bill before the referendum?

Herzlos

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

They didn't mention the bill once before the referendum. Don't you find that odd?

We didn't mention a lot of the flaws with brexit before the referendum. It's only once people started to think about how it'd work did this stuff come to light.

I'm not sure we'd have the 'bill' if we went for the Norway model.

We definitely pointed out that we'll still need to pay the eu to leave and after we leave. I doubt it had been called a divorce bill though

setmefree2

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Really? Which Remainers mentioned a divorce bill before the referendum?

Tbh I can't be bothered going back to look. But why would I make it up?

setmefree2

Anyways, does anybody seriously think the DUP will support Labour and bring the government down?

setmefree2

The MPs propping up Theresa May's Government "will not accept" a deal with Brussels that weakens Northern Ireland's relationship with the rest of the UK, their Westminster leader has warned. Nigel Dodds, who leads the Democratic Unionist Party's group of 10 MPs, said the European Union was failing "to engage in a meaningful fashion" over the border between Ireland and Ulster.
He also rejected a claim that Northern Ireland or the UK as a whole must continue to abide by the rules of the EU single market and customs union in order to avoid a "hard border".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/11/brexit-border-row-dup-slaps-brussels-bully-boy-tactics-weaken/