Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

We are 1 year+ away from the referendum vote, and really, nothing much has changed.

I always felt that all this will go to the 11th hour, and nothing has changed my mind about that.

The politicians from both sides will blame "time pressures" forcing them in to a set of compromises designed to convince their own side that they actually won the argument.

..and it is an argument. Long term, we are no longer part of the club, and we don't steer it's direction. The idea that we can be somehow closely coupled but not is fanciful. If the EU sought future harmonious tax changes they wouldn't worry about how this impacted the UK.

It's not the voting public's problem. We pay the politicians to sort things out, and we should hold them to this.

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

Anyways, does anybody seriously think the DUP will support Labour and bring the government down?

Not in a month of Sundays.

They would hate handing power over to Corbyn.

setmefree2

Unelected Brussels officials are said to be pushing Theresa May's government to give Ulster "Hong Kong-style autonomy".
The controversial plan would mean Northern Ireland joining the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in its own right post-Brexit.
Sources claim the EU wants to mirror the example of Hong Kong, which is part of China but also an individual member of the WTO.

The DUP's Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said: "Northern Ireland will not be separated from the rest of the UK as a result of Brexit.
"Brussels must realise this and accept that progress will not be achieved through bully-boy tactics.
"The prime minister has said that the UK will leave the single market and customs union. This applies to Northern Ireland as an integral part of the Union.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/878448/Brexit-latest-news-Northern-Ireland-Ulster-Theresa-May-DUP-border-Dublin-Brussels

Ballard

setmefree2 wrote: »

Indeed. The DUP finds itself with a choice. But when push comes to shove are the DUP really going to side with the IRA loving Corbyn and McDonell?

It's true that Corbyn met with Sinn Fein members during the troubles (and, let's face it, some of them would have been terrorists) but it is also widely accepted that the British government met senior IRA members in secret.

Corbyn did vote against the Anglo Irish agreement but that agreement wasn't universally liked by either side of the troubles. When the Good Friday Agreement came about he was strongly in favour.

Your point that the DUP won't want him in charge is a valid one, though. I grew up in London in the 70s and hate everything that the IRA have done. I do have sympathies with their cause but that doesn't make me a terrorist sympathiser. All terrorist organisations send a shiver down my spine, as I'm sure it does to the vast majority of others.


On a side note, I had a weekend in Belfast earlier this year and would very highly recommend it. The political tour along the Falls & Shankhill roads was well worth the £18.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

kabayiri wrote: »

Not in a month of Sundays.

They would hate handing power over to Corbyn.

The IRA shot the DUP leader's father in the head. They are never going to bring down the government.

Rinoa

Ballard wrote: »

I am not privy to any contracts that were signed by the UK but being as the current government has stated that we do have to pay the EU to satisfy our commitments I think that it's safe to say that we are under a legal obligation to do so.

We have to pay what we have committed to, but no more.

The divorce bill is far more. If it was something we committed to and was written into EU membership agreements the EU would have no problem putting actual figures on it. They haven't because no such figures exist, it's merely a wish list - with menaces.

Ballard

Rinoa wrote: »

We have to pay what we have committed to, but no more.

The divorce bill is far more. If it was something we committed to and was written into EU membership agreements the EU would have no problem putting actual figures on it. They haven't because no such figures exist, it's merely a wish list - with menaces.

As I've stated, I have no idea what we committed to and I doubt very much that anyone on here does either so there's little point in debating it but I doubt that it was written in stone exactly how much we were due to pay over the next few years. We could quite well have agreed to pay xx% of total funding until 20xx as agreed each year by the EU.

The 'menaces' thing... They're trying to get as much out of us as they can. That's pretty much their job, working to get a good deal for their constituents. As long as we remember that they need us more than we need them we'll be fine though.

Rinoa

Ballard wrote: »

As I've stated, I have no idea what we committed to and I doubt very much that anyone on here does either so there's little point in debating it but I doubt that it was written in stone exactly how much we were due to pay over the next few years. We could quite well have agreed to pay xx% of total funding until 20xx as agreed each year by the EU.

EU agreements aren't secret. If we'd agreed to such a clause it would be written down and we'd know about it by now. David Davis has asked how the EU calculated the bill. He's still waiting for an answer.

Ballard

Rinoa wrote: »

EU agreements aren't secret. If we'd agreed to such a clause it would be written down and we'd know about it by now. David Davis has asked how the EU calculated the bill. He's still waiting for an answer.

Maybe post a link to the agreements on here and we can all have a look and come up with a figure.

phillw

cogito wrote: »

Funny then how the non stop strikes were more prevalent after we joined the common market than before.

Things didn't get instantly better, like they won't get instantly worse post brexit. It will take some time, which the leavers will use to pretend that it has nothing to do with brexit.

cogito wrote: »

If joining the common market gave us low inflation, you might want to tell us why inflation rates in some other member countries was as high as the UK.

Probably because they didn't have lots of immigrants providing cheap labour in a country that was prepared to create tax havens, give bribes etc.

Rinoa wrote: »

EU agreements aren't secret. If we'd agreed to such a clause it would be written down and we'd know about it by now. David Davis has asked how the EU calculated the bill. He's still waiting for an answer.

I'm not privy to their conversations and paper work. Can you point me at their daily transcripts of all conversations and their drop box with all their emails etc.

Rinoa wrote: »

The divorce bill was only deamt up by Brussells after the referendum,when they realised the EU would fall apart without UK contributions.

Like if you try to cancel your mobile phone subscription after receiving your iPhone X and saying they can't hold you to your previous commitments. You appear to be delusional.

Rinoa wrote: »

It's not in the EU rule book. It has no legal standing. Neither 'project fear' nor ardent remainers such as youself ever referred to it before the referendum as an argument for staying in.

Nobody thought 52% of the people would be dumb enough to fall for the leave lies. Remain was under prepared in getting the message across and there were a lot of voter apathy. If there was another referendum then it wouldn't work out the same.

Although CPS should pursue Boris and Nigel before we have another referendum, to make sure they can't interfere with any subsequent voting. The tactics that were used would be illegal in a general election, but they seem to be arguing that a referendum isn't protected.