Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

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How much time has been wasted?

Nothing. Zero. Nil points.

There was always going to be political posturing before major elections.

11th hour backroom negotiations, anyone?

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

If we went into recession that could well put down the EU with us.

The UK's recent anemic economic performance didn't seem to have much of a negative effect on the EU. To the contrary.

gfplux

We can all agree that there are over 3 million EU citizens presently in the UK who are contributing to the economy in a number of different ways.
At the end of the Brexit process 2021? the Government say that they will have in place a system that will allow in to the Country people (with trailing spouse and children?) to work in industries that need specialist workers such as engineers or fruit pickers.
I assume I understand that correctly?
What I don't see or understand how Britain will get from where it is to where it wants to be.
Can we agree that during this Brexit process/Crisis Britain need to retain those people needed by the economy and seamlessly arriving at the destination of "special type" work permits.
Again all I see is breaking the old to rebuild the new which is much more difficult than re-engineering the present system.
All I see, granted from outside, is no planning for that future.
Perhaps Brexiters prefer to break and rebuild but remainers should and are concerned at this lack of planning.

There are systems in place at present for non EU citizens/workers to come to Britain to work. This could be the model that could be worked on now without effecting the Brexit talks. This present model only has critics and appears not fit for purpose.
Example the well publicised shortage of curry chefs and the qualifying minimum wage that can only be earned in the South East.

Britain was critisized for being under prepared for the Brexit talks (yes I understand it was a cunning plan) it "appears" to me Britain is not preparing for the post Brexit world.
Britain should not be broken on the wheel of Tory infighting. The Government needs to get on with its day job much of which is preparation of which I see non.

Prime Minister May has asked for time until end of March 2021 that time is slipping away.

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

To be fair you probably have said that. You've also said things will be just spiffy if we go the WTO tariff route too.

Yes both statements are compatible. There's too much at stake for people and business to just lay down and be harmed, so they adapt if need be. WTO is evolving all the time.

We would lose some business and gain other.

Fart arris?g about with the EU negotiation could be a long waste of time if we're not careful, I'm disappointed in May, she seems like a placater rather than a tough no nonsense deal maker.

I think the Tory party should move on her now and not drag this out, we need someone else at the helm.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

The UK's recent anemic economic performance didn't seem to have much of a negative effect on the EU. To the contrary.

We were told by Remain right through the referndum campaign that we could go into recession and pull the world markets down with us, make your mind up.

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

How much time has been wasted?

One reason I voted leave was precisely because the EU squabble shop takes years over negotiations and trade deals, that once out our footwork will vastly improve.

Tromking

A big speech from Macron today on the future direction of the EU, concerns in France already that Merkel's weakened domestic position will render the speech meaningless.
The post Brexit Franco/German strategy of 'More Europe' looks to be in trouble.

System

Conrad wrote: »

Yes both statements are compatible.

We'll be harmed if tariffs are imposed on EU trade.

We won't be harmed if tariffs are imposed on EU trade.

They sound mutually exclusive to me. I think it's the former and, unlike some, it gives me no consolation that the citizens of the EU will be harmed too.

The WTO route will damage the economy for some years to come as we adjust (and negotiate to remove tariffs). Even if you're super optimistic about brexit it should be obvious that a hard brexit, at best, pushes out the breakeven point.

System

kabayiri wrote: »

Nothing. Zero. Nil points.

There was always going to be political posturing before major elections.

11th hour backroom negotiations, anyone?

I listened to a report about Merkel where she gave an interview explaining why her vote share was reduced. She listed about 4 or 5 foreign policy areas where she'd been diverted away from pure domestic policy. Brexit wasn't one of them.

I'm up for the idea that there will be much rustling of paper at the 11th hour by important politicians. I'm less convinced that Brexit is something which appears at the top of the EU and her member's concerns.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Do you ever read your own links?

Do you ever truly read the posts before trying to quibble about them?

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

an example of unnecessary EU bureaucracy in action..

And yet you yourself quote:

Head of motor at comparethemarket.com, John Miles, said it “shows how little difference the EU Gender Directive has had on insurance premiums

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