Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

This is from the British paper on safeguarding EU and British citizens rights.

"17) All EU citizens (and their families) in the UK, regardless of when they arrived, will, on the UK’s exit, need to obtain an immigration status in UK law. They will need to apply to the Home Office for permission to stay, which will be evidenced through a residence document. This will be a legal requirement but there is also an important practical reason for this. The residence document will enable EU citizens (and their families) living in the UK to demonstrate to third parties (such as employers or providers of public services) that they have permission to continue to live and work legally in the UK. Following the UK’s exit from the EU, the Government may wish to introduce controls which limit the ability of EU citizens (and their families) who arrive in the UK after exit to live and work here. As such, without a residence document, current residents may find it difficult to access the labour market and services."


Those who have a personal interest in this do worry that Britain will not be able to process over 3 million applications for "settled status" and that during that process traveling through British ports of entry will become difficult.
In addition Any and all EU citizen presenting themselves at that port of entry will have to be counted in and counted out if they are on holiday. Does anyone think that this can all be put in place by March 2019 or 2021.
"It will be alright" does not cut it for those who are actually effected.

How is this document in any way different from current practise as applied to other nonUK nationals?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

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Those who have a personal interest in this do worry that Britain will not be able to process over 3 million applications for "settled status" and that during that process traveling through British ports of entry will become difficult.
In addition Any and all EU citizen presenting themselves at that port of entry will have to be counted in and counted out if they are on holiday. Does anyone think that this can all be put in place by March 2019 or 2021.
"It will be alright" does not cut it for those who are actually effected.

Neither does abject panic when nothing has changed yet.
It has already been pointed out that we already hold the information needed.

According to statistics many non-EU citizens arrive in the UK every year and these must complete the necessary processes; why should adding those from the EU make any real difference?
Or are EU citizens so precious that doing so will somehow be beyond their capabilities?

No, like I said before you (being so pro-EU) are doing no more than clutching at each and every available straw in an effort to further decry the UK but without any basis in fact.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

How is this document in any way different from current practise as applied to other nonUK nationals?

It doesn't, but we don't have 3 million of them to suddenly handle in another 17 months.

Tromking

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

No, like I said before you (being so pro-EU) are doing no more than clutching at each and every available straw in an effort to further decry the UK but without any basis in fact.

We may be doing the likes of gfplux a disservice Jock.
With the Fascists on the march again in his backyard, perhaps the need for a convenient 'bolthole' means that the mechanics of the UK's new immigration arrangements as it pertains to EU citizens, may be of interest to him.

Conrad

Support for the far Right is lower in the UK than almost anywhere in Europe. Brexit, contrary to what we were told, acted as a safety valve.

We've often pointed out that the Visegrad group wont agree to taking refugees.

Lots of Trump walls / razor wire fences springing up in marvellous EU land;


Hungary and Serbia

Hungary and Croatia

Greece and Macedonia

Greece and Turkey

Slovenia and Croatia

Austria and Germany

Hungary and Slovakia.

Spain and Morocco in Ceuta and Melilla

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Lots of Trump walls / razor wire fences springing up in marvellous EU land;


Hungary and Serbia

Hungary and Croatia

Greece and Macedonia

Greece and Turkey

Slovenia and Croatia

Austria and Germany

Hungary and Slovakia.

Spain and Morocco in Ceuta and Melilla

Turkey is not in the EU
Macedonia is not in the EU
Serbia is not in the EU
Morocco (lol) is not in the EU

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Turkey is not in the EU
Macedonia is not in the EU
Serbia is not in the EU
Morocco (lol) is not in the EU

Walls and razor wire fences being put up by EU nations on borders


If this was Trump you would be foaming

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

There has been a far-right element in European politics for a while now. See Wilders in The Netherlands, Vlams Belang in Belgium, AFD in Germany, UKIP in the UK, 5star in Italy...etc...Nothing new here.

Remainers employ the narrative 'Britain is a laughing stock in Europe, a nasty xenophobic little Englanders place'.

Over and again this defies logic given the far greater intolerance found in the EU. Holland for example saw politics in general lurch far father right due to Wilders influence. Poland wont accept Muslim refugees.

Remain letting emotive nonsense talk in place of fact and logic

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Walls and razor wire fences being put up by EU nations on borders

Yes Conrad, there is no FoM between EU and non-EU countries. Well spotted.

Conrad

AFF8879 wrote: »

I think the issue is, once again, the rhetoric. People generally don't like being insulted, so labelling them as racist / facist etc when they have genuine concerns is a) unlikely to make them support you in an election, and b) makes them more likely to be susceptible to messages such as that promoted by AfD.

Yet the mainstream politicians still don't seem to get that point.

It's such a sad state of affairs when we all lose the art of intelligent debate and have to resort to name-calling, and where "protesting" has become so commonplace that it's lost all impact.

Pulling the race card is so ubiquitous that the word racism is becoming meaningless.

This ties-in with the left employing violent rioting and widespread assault in America in order to silence free speech.

The legacy media and political punditry still don't get it

How about I seek to silence British Communists at the point of a baton, would that be civilised of me (remember Communists have killed millions)?