Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

No. You don't need a NI number and tax number to legally work in the UK.

Employers themselves have a responsibility to check that people have the right to work. In addition are required to notify the relevant authorities. Free movement didn't change these requirements.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

5Stars suffer setback in Italy’s local elections

That was in June from the first page in this thread.
Today?

The new leader of Italy’s anti-establishment 5-Star movement says it is not a populist party and will make cutting waste and reducing debt its priority. 5-Star, which leads most opinion polls ahead of national elections due early next year, has been trying to shed its maverick, populist image and reassure foreign capitals that it can be trusted with power.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-politics-5star-leader/im-no-populist-says-new-leader-of-italys-5-star-idUKKCN1BZ0MN?il=0

So why did 5* not do so well in their local elections?
The answer perhaps lies within the link on the fist page of this thread and:

The 5Stars’ disappointing results on Sunday don’t necessarily “provide a solid indicator on the party’s overall popularity at the national level,” Piccoli said. “The electoral system used in the local elections does not favor the 5Stars as it encourages coalitions ahead of the vote.”

It looks like Piccoli was right.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

In Germany exit polls suggest another term of Merkel although forming a coalition might take months:

Angela Merkel will now have to form a coalition government - an arduous process that could take months – after sliding to about 32% of the vote from 41.5% in in 2013.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/24/german-elections-2017-angela-merkel-cdu-spd-afd-live-updates
Also as expected:

German exit polls show the country’s far-right winning seats in the Bundestag for the first time in half a century.
The populist Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD) comfortably took third place in the election, while the centre-left SPD crashed to a historically low result.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-elections-2017-live-updates-latest-news-angela-merkel-cdu-polls-votes-martin-schultz-close-a7963876.html

phillw

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Brexit has not yet had any conditions agreed and
finalised.

Sure, it depends on what "brexit means brexit" means. If nothing changes, then nothing changes. If something changes, then it's likely that everything changes. The fantasy that Boris Johnson et al suffers from is unlikely to happen.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Plus how on earth did we manage before the EU - AND how come more Brits live in Australia alone than in the entire EU?

Lengthy visa application processes.

If you wanted to stop a foreign company competing with your business then you had a word with your mate at the home office for their visa application to be lost. GCHQ would also provide you with details of the other companies bids. Those kind of shenanigans tapered off a bit when we joined the EU.

Which is why being bound by the European court and allowing free movement of people is a big thing for the EU. We've proved time and again that we can't be trusted.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Employers themselves have a responsibility to check that people have the right to work. In addition are required to notify the relevant authorities. Free movement didn't change these requirements.

You don't need an employer to work in the UK. Or you may have an employer in another part of the EU, while you work in the UK.

posh*spice

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In Germany exit polls suggest another term of Merkel although forming a coalition might take months:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/24/german-elections-2017-angela-merkel-cdu-spd-afd-live-updates
Also as expected:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-elections-2017-live-updates-latest-news-angela-merkel-cdu-polls-votes-martin-schultz-close-a7963876.html

Down from 42% to 32%. AFD third largest party with nearly 14%.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

You don't need an employer to work in the UK. Or you may have an employer in another part of the EU, while you work in the UK.

That wasn't the point that was being discussed.

Thrugelmir

posh*spice wrote: »

Down from 42% to 32%. AFD third largest party with nearly 14%.

On a very low turnout as well.

phillw

posh*spice wrote: »

Down from 42% to 32%. AFD third largest party with nearly 14%.

Yeah, the rise in casual far far right that gave us Donald Trump & Brexit is spreading throughout the western world.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

phillw wrote: »

Sure, it depends on what "brexit means brexit" means. If nothing changes, then nothing changes. If something changes, then it's likely that everything changes. The fantasy that Boris Johnson et al suffers from is unlikely to happen.
Meh. And that's one heck of a lot of "if"s.


Lengthy visa application processes. Hasn't stopped migration. Far more UK citizens emigrate outside the EU than within despite the so-called FoM.

If you wanted to stop a foreign company competing with your business then you had a word with your mate at the home office for their visa application to be lost. GCHQ would also provide you with details of the other companies bids. Those kind of shenanigans tapered off a bit when we joined the EU. Instead the EU made us accept workers from within the EU because of FoM; the "shenanigans" changed from being purely British to EU. Have you disregarded comments of companies seeking workers from the EU without even first advertising in the UK for example?


Which is why being bound by the European court and allowing free movement of people is a big thing for the EU. We've proved time and again that we can't be trusted. As opposed to the EU's own borders preventing this very same free movement of people within the EU - in Italy; Hungary; Austria, etc. etc. EU hypocrisy in action. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/eu-border-controls-not-removed-november-2017/



You don't need an employer to work in the UK. Or you may have an employer in another part of the EU, while you work in the UK. From my earlier link:

You have to pay tax on your income if you come to live in the UK

To be "employed" someone must be paying you, right? Why attempt being disingenuous? We all know that (for example) the likes of lorry drivers from outside the UK are not liable to pay tax on their wages earned whilst working here; we are however discussing those who live and work in the UK in the context of migration.

It seems that some misunderstanding regarding the subject under discussion has developed.
We were discussing UK migration and rather than further labour an unnecessary point (no pun intended), I point out the conclusion:
"Given that so much data is already available it should not be difficult for any government to introduce whatever system it feels is required."

posh*spice

Well if the EU leaders are supposed to be making Europe a safer place the rise of the far right would suggest they are doing a carp job.