Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Rusty_Shackleton

Have you considered that the dysfunction, where it exists (because you are massively overstating it), is a symptom, not a cause.

Case in point, parents stuck on insecure ZHCs will struggle to maintain stable work patterns, making childcare difficult. Additional stress, more arguments... Great news for the poor kids, not really the parents' fault. As for the comments about the fat woman who used a food bank.. The way youre talking about PEOPLE is disgraceful... As if the fact that someones overweight means theyre undeserving of sympathy for an unrelated issue...or are you suggesting she needs a foodbank because shes overweight? I cant believe adults come out with this kind of diatribe.

Anyway, I think we've hijacked the brexit discussion enough, its pretty clear we fundamentally disagree on this. From my perspective you both come across as incredibly callous and clearly dont/haven't known many genuinely poor people.

FYI synpathy for one group doesnt preclude synpathy for another, dont be so ridiculous.

economic

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

As for the comments about the fat woman who used a food bank.. The way youre talking about PEOPLE is disgraceful... As if the fact that someones overweight means theyre undeserving of sympathy for an unrelated issue...or are you suggesting she needs a foodbank because shes overweight? I cant believe adults come out with this kind of diatribe.

fat people who say they dont have enough money should look at the obvious way to cut costs - their diet. it benefits their health and their wallet. if they cant do this then they clearly have a dysfunction. and hence dysfunction implies being poorer then you could otherwise be.

also how else do you want to describe someone who is fat? fat fits the description perfectly.

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Have you considered that the dysfunction, where it exists (because you are massively overstating it), is a symptom, not a cause.

Yes but I dont think poverty causes it, as plenty of drug users and alcoholics are from the middle and top of society. But there indeed may be a link for instance my guess would be if you are a child growing up in hackney you are a good deal more likely to be in a gang or take drugs than if you are a kid growing up in Harpenden partly because Hackney council thought it a great idea to massively over build council homes and draw the countries poor into hackney making dense ghetto estates.

Either way the first point is to accept that dysfunctional people and families are the cause of most the suffering in this country not starvation or tax rates

Case in point, parents stuck on insecure ZHCs will struggle to maintain stable work patterns, making childcare difficult. Additional stress, more arguments... Great news for the poor kids, not really the parents' fault.

Your making up a boogeyman. There are fewer people on ZHC than there are for instance alcoholics. You can quite easily leave a ZHC and lots of people can do fine with ZHC jobs but being an alcoholic is not so easy to leave and hell for the individual and their families too

Anyway, I think we've hijacked the brexit discussion enough, its pretty clear we fundamentally disagree on this. From my perspective you both come across as incredibly callous and clearly dont/haven't known many genuinely poor people.

There isn't anything to disagree with clearly there are millions impacted directly by dysfunctional lives and many more millions yet impacted by these people

Yet you choose to focus your attention on overweight women with dogs crying that her tax credits were cut by £1000 and now she will starve (rather than get rid of one of the dogs, or shop at aldi or get a proper job rather than her fake nail bar at home 16 hours a week scam)

Rusty_Shackleton

GreatApe wrote: »

Yes but I dont think poverty causes it, as plenty of drug users and alcoholics are from the middle and top of society. But there indeed may be a link for instance my guess would be if you are a child growing up in hackney you are a good deal more likely to be in a gang or take drugs than if you are a kid growing up in Harpenden partly because Hackney council thought it a great idea to massively over build council homes and draw the countries poor into hackney making dense ghetto estates.

Either way the first point is to accept that dysfunctional people and families are the cause of most the suffering in this country not starvation or tax rates



Your making up a boogeyman. There are fewer people on ZHC than there are for instance alcoholics. You can quite easily leave a ZHC and lots of people can do fine with ZHC jobs but being an alcoholic is not so easy to leave and hell for the individual and their families too



There isn't anything to disagree with clearly there are millions impacted directly by dysfunctional lives and many more millions yet impacted by these people

Yet you choose to focus your attention on overweight women with dogs crying that her tax credits were cut by £1000 and now she will starve (rather than get rid of one of the dogs, or shop at aldi or get a proper job rather than her fake nail bar at home 16 hours a week scam)

You go ahead and keep showing such hatred and disgust for people you know nothing about. The more bile you spew about people the more it undermines your attenpts to construct an argument.

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

FYI synpathy for one group doesnt preclude synpathy for another, dont be so ridiculous.

Having sympathy can be good but knowing what the causes of problems are and trying to address them wont come from pure sympathy

You have to acknowledge that a LOT of suffering, probably most, is caused by dysfunctional people and families. Once you agree to that you can redirect your energy from trying to save people from starving (a non existent reality) to try and help stop people becoming addicts in the first place (impacting millions of people)

Of course our dear friends at momentum are not going around trying to set up charities or events to try and reduce real hardships like addiction instead they go to music festivals and hire fat women pretending they cant afford food to cry to the media all in am aim for political propaganda

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

You go ahead and keep showing such hatred and disgust for people you know nothing about. The more bile you spew about people the more it undermines your attenpts to construct an argument.

What is this, the 10th time you've made the same or similar remarks to me?

And here is the same answer for the 10th time, I dont blame addicts or dysfunctional people/families they dont choose to be that way and I would like the government to help them more where it can be shown that there are effective ways to do it.

Rusty_Shackleton

GreatApe wrote: »

Having sympathy can be good but knowing what the causes of problems are and trying to address them wont come from pure sympathy

You have to acknowledge that a LOT of suffering, probably most, is caused by dysfunctional people and families. Once you agree to that you can redirect your energy from trying to save people from starving (a non existent reality) to try and help stop people becoming addicts in the first place (impacting millions of people)

Of course our dear friends at momentum are not going around trying to set up charities or events to try and reduce real hardships like addiction instead they go to music festivals and hire fat women pretending they cant afford food to cry to the media all in am aim for political propaganda

Youre yet to provide any evidence for your claims. Youve posted lots of statements, but not a single source. If your claim of dysfuntion being such an obvious cause is true, then you should have no problem providing sources.

GreatApe

economic wrote: »

fat people who say they dont have enough money should look at the obvious way to cut costs - their diet. it benefits their health and their wallet. if they cant do this then they clearly have a dysfunction. and hence dysfunction implies being poorer then you could otherwise be.

also how else do you want to describe someone who is fat? fat fits the description perfectly.

I think there is some truth in the idea that people are pack animals most of whom need to be dominated (told what to do). This goes counter to our ideas of freedom but I think a lot of people would benefit from regiment routine order and even things like food rationing. I'm not sure how that can be done while retaining freedom which is a necessity. Maybe it cant be done maybe freedom means a load of us have to eat ourselves to extreme obesity, become drug addicts and alcoholics and millions cause suffering to themselves and their families.

Edit: I suppose this is what would be monks and some other religious groups do. Go give up everything and join a group where you are told to leave your thinking and possessions behind and just go with what your told to do believe and be.

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Youre yet to provide any evidence for your claims. Youve posted lots of statements, but not a single source. If your claim of dysfuntion being such an obvious cause is true, then you should have no problem providing sources.

What evidence would be sufficient for you to change your mind

bobbymotors

how can you be 8 stone over weight yet unable to afford food?