Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I've been doing some further reading on the position of Anguilla. It currently receives development funds from the EU, but is not eligible for funding from DFID as it is a British Overseas Terriotory and not an independent nation.

It currently relies on St Martin (Dutch and French) for advanced medical care, fuel, food and other essential imports. Brexit is being used by the Anguillan government to argue that the island needs better infrastructure, in particular a better port, airport and hospital. The island has a population of under 17,000.

Presently the French close their border at 10pm, shutting Anguilla off.

It strikes me that these issues aren't insurmountable, but a big part of it is the Anguillan government asking- not unreasonably - whether the UK will step in and fill the funding gap left if EU funds are withdrawn.

There's a link to the paper on Twitter if anyone wants to read:
https://mobile.twitter.com/govanguillauk?lang=en
(See date 11th July)

Thanks again.
So until now an unknown problem of Brexit that will have to be solved.
The fall out of Brexit hits some of the "little guys" we have not thought about.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So you think the EU will still have no solution by then?
Since the UK will no longer be members of the EU, then probably leave the EU to sort it's own problems.
Which so far seem to pretty much consist of telling Italy it's their problem and hoping it goes away.

Which is why your post belongs in the other thread about all the wrong things about the EU.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The EU can’t solve Italy’s migration crisis

This is yet another report from the normally vehemently pro-EU Politico which is not exactly favourable towards the EU:

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-cant-solve-italy-migration-crisis-refugees-mediterranean-sea/

Posted in the wrong thread, again.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In interesting piece in Euronews; it seems that the EU is - so far at least - not decreasing poverty within it's own communities:

http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/28/poverty-in-the-eu

Posted again in the wrong thread.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

We could debate all day on what's "wrong" with the USA.

We could couldn't we. Perhaps there should be a thread for that

setmefree2

This thread is called "Brexit, The Economy and House Prices". Post what you like about all 3.

Twimc - feel free to hit the ignore button anytime you like.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Thanks again.
So until now an unknown problem of Brexit that will have to be solved.
The fall out of Brexit hits some of the "little guys" we have not thought about.

You're one of the "little guys". There can't be that many Brits in Luxembourg who religiously tune in to every piece of negative Brexit news.

We here in the UK will live with the main consequences. You won't particularly.

always_sunny

setmefree2 wrote: »

So Italy has a migration "crisis" but the UK doesn't ?

There's a difference, isn't there?
- Arrivals in Italy are from refugees
- Arrivals In the UK are from people with a visa (3rd country) or FoM (pre-approved visa)

UK crisis is managing [any]thing, 'apparently' the country is full but grants more visas than any other EU country to non-EU nationals.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

Do you think we have entered a bickering phase on this thread a little?

I quite agree but I have to say - no wotsit Sherlock!
But "phase" - nope, it has been this way for a long time sadly.
It is after all the main reason the last thread got closed - yet it really does look like some posters are attempting the same again.

As an example look at posts like this:

ilovehouses wrote: »

So the killer solution is to walk away, put our hands over our eyes and pretend it's an issue that's someone else's problem.

Not sure what the solution is but if everyone had your attitude no problem would ever be resolved. You better hope our European neighbours don't turn the same blind eye otherwise the summer migrant season will be coming soon to UK beaches.

Yes but no but 'first safe country' etc etc.

Bluntly, this is nothing more than belligerence; it contains no fact and frankly ignores the post originally responded to which was (just to remind readers of this thread) " What's the killer plan the UK is going to implement post Brexit to help solve the problem? "
The reply was posted # 2194/5 if anyone wants to look.
Again simply, what occurs in the EU post-Brexit will generally be an EU problem and not a UK one. As we were discussing Italian migration there is or indeed will be then no UK problem.


Then look at the volume of one-after-another posts by some and with what real content?
Repeating the same few words in posts is in honesty little more than spamming the thread, and for such as:

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you for the insite.

...... there is such a thing as the "Thanks" button.
An occasional post of this kind is forgivable, but to do so repeatedly brings into question the motive for doing so.

Or look at the number of posts very obviously intended as intending to do no more than deceive, obfuscate or entice vehement disagreement.
On any page you will see provocative terminology (and sometimes language) used. Look at the above example; is such phraseology as "if everyone had your attitude" or "you better hope" really necessary?
Yes I may be abrupt at times, but small wonder when faced with such a barrage as described above.

This is a real shame because if debate could instead be calm and civilised, there is much surrounding Brexit worthy of examination.
There do remain at least some capable of recognising this but sadly it does seem that - certainly largely of the pro-EU and/or pro-remain contingent - too many want to disagree purely for disagreement's sake.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Do you think we have entered a bickering phase on this thread a little?

Personally, I struggle to determine the quality of a post-Brexit solution, without understanding our wider goals.

Looking at migrant labour specifically, I found this report to be pretty balanced from John Harris (Guardian) :

https://youtu.be/Hkk-oYB1MNw

In brief, I'm not sure how sustainable the jobs portrayed were. When EE workers have to register with 5 different agencies, and rely on day to day work, just how long would you put up with this as a worker?

Hamish's central proposition, that these people are in it for the long haul, seems unproven at best to me.

But maybe a shared video clip would allow us to examine the wider perspective.

Just back from the beach and now I have watched the video.
I am sure a remainer and a brexiter will probably think differently after watching it.
Firstly it's a Guardian journalist who is probably a remainer and a socialist. The people interviewed will be self selection and they probably shot two hours to edit it down to 9 minutes.
Having said all that there is a real issue that has to be addressed by the Government and I a remainer hear nothing concrete as to how this issue will be tackled.
The longer uncertainty goes on workers from the EU27 Will be making their own decisions and that will not be good for British industry.