Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The EU can’t solve Italy’s migration crisis

This is yet another report from the normally vehemently pro-EU Politico which is not exactly favourable towards the EU:

The problem is a European one, but it is above all an Italian one; roughly 75 percent of the migrants arriving in Europe land in Italy.
Rome has largely been left to handle the crisis on its own. Even as the EU offers financial support, France, Switzerland and Austria are busy trying to seal their borders. Austrian Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz even went so far as to ask his Italian counterpart to leave arriving migrants on the small island of Lampedusa, where many migrants land.

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-cant-solve-italy-migration-crisis-refugees-mediterranean-sea/

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Those pesky Americans interfering again.

We could debate all day on what's "wrong" with the USA.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

In interesting piece in Euronews; it seems that the EU is - so far at least - not decreasing poverty within it's own communities:

Europe’s economic downturn seems to be behind us. Gone are the days of negative growth rates. Unemployment is still relatively high, but stabilising. So it may come as a surprise to discover that poverty is not declining. This means that close to one in four Europeans experience at least one or more of the following conditions: income poverty, severe material deprivation and/or social exclusion.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/28/poverty-in-the-eu

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Also from Politico EU email.

There's no need to post every article separately. Why not simply provide a link to the website everyday then we can read it for ourselves if we wish.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I note that the Libya has denied an accord for Italian ships to deploy in Libyan waters:
https://www.thelocal.it/20170728/libya-denies-accord-for-italy-ships-to-deploy
Leading to Italy trying a new tack:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ngos-migrant-rescues_uk_597b0df1e4b02a8434b5ba35?utm_hp_ref=uk

I note this from the above article

Almost 94,000 people have been brought to safety in Italy so far this year, according to the Italian interior ministry, an increase of more than five percent compared to the same period last year

Compared with

Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

So Italy has a migration "crisis" but the UK doesn't ?

cogito

setmefree2 wrote: »

I note this from the above article

Compared with

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

So Italy has a migration "crisis" but the UK doesn't ?

The difference is of course that migrants to Italy have entered illegally with help from the taxi service provided by the like of MSF.

setmefree2

Estate agents' profits plunge as housing market slows

The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors said the reluctance of sellers to make a move had left estate agents with the lowest stock of properties for nearly 40 years.

Countrywide, whose shares fell to a record low in the wake of the announcement, said house sales exchanges were down 20%, 24% in London

It added that London was more greatly affected than the rest of the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40738377

kabayiri

Do you think we have entered a bickering phase on this thread a little?

Personally, I struggle to determine the quality of a post-Brexit solution, without understanding our wider goals.

Looking at migrant labour specifically, I found this report to be pretty balanced from John Harris (Guardian) :

https://youtu.be/Hkk-oYB1MNw

In brief, I'm not sure how sustainable the jobs portrayed were. When EE workers have to register with 5 different agencies, and rely on day to day work, just how long would you put up with this as a worker?

Hamish's central proposition, that these people are in it for the long haul, seems unproven at best to me.

But maybe a shared video clip would allow us to examine the wider perspective.

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

Do you think we have entered a bickering phase on this thread a little?

The ignore button is your friend.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

As Cogito has said, it is an island so doesn't have a land border. It does have an inter island ferry service to St Martin which is French.

St Martin is a funny place, it is half French and half Dutch and not very big. The French side uses Euros, but the dominant currency on the Dutch side is the US dollar. I've been there a couple of times but not yet managed to get the ferry to Anguilla, which is on my to do list. Neither side of St Martin is covered by the Schengen Agreement, nevertheless there is no hard border between the two.

Thank you for the insite.