Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

Also from Politico EU email.

"An association of local authorities in England and Wales called on the British government to replace billions of pounds in European Union funding after the U.K. leaves the bloc, in a report released today. The Local Government Association said about £8.4 billion in regional aid had been allocated for 2014-2020 through European structural and investment funds, used to “help new businesses start up, create thousands of new jobs, roll out broadband and build new roads and bridges.”

I think that the term "GO WHISTLE" would come to mind.

gfplux

A (British) opinion piece in the New York Times.
Those pesky Americans interfering again.

"The Brexit vote was driven by the belief that Britain was hobbled by being shackled to a moribund, bureaucratic group of nations. The Brexiteers convinced enough of the electorate that we needed only to be set free from Europe, with its tiresome regulations, restrictions and pesky immigrants, to become a proud, swashbuckling, dominant and richer country again.

This promise is a stunning misunderstanding of who we are, what we are capable of and where we stand in the world. Britain’s faith in its independent future is rooted in its economic performance. We are a tiny island, but we are — as the prime minister, Theresa May, and leading Brexiteers have frequently assured us — the world’s fifth largest economy. That ranking has given just over half the country the false confidence that we have nothing to fear from change."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/opinion/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-brexit.html?mwrsm=Facebook

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

A (British) opinion piece in the New York Times.
Those pesky Americans interfering again.

"The Brexit vote was driven by the belief that Britain was hobbled by being shackled to a moribund, bureaucratic group of nations. The Brexiteers convinced enough of the electorate that we needed only to be set free from Europe, with its tiresome regulations, restrictions and pesky immigrants, to become a proud, swashbuckling, dominant and richer country again.

This promise is a stunning misunderstanding of who we are, what we are capable of and where we stand in the world. Britain’s faith in its independent future is rooted in its economic performance. We are a tiny island, but we are — as the prime minister, Theresa May, and leading Brexiteers have frequently assured us — the world’s fifth largest economy. That ranking has given just over half the country the false confidence that we have nothing to fear from change."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/opinion/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-brexit.html?mwrsm=Facebook

<snigger!>
The false confidence that comes from being the worlds fifth biggest economy?........words that only a bitter Remainer could utter!

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Talking of Borders. This from Politico.

"In evidence to the House of Lords, the British overseas territory Anguilla said it was not consulted prior to the EU referendum, did not get a vote, and must be listened to more seriously as it has a direct border with an EU member (France), just like Gibraltar and Northern Ireland. The territory is heavily dependent on France and the Netherlands for essential goods and services"

Who knew? yes of course all the well informed Brexiters.

Anguilla is an island and doesn't have a land border with anyone.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Perfect analysis.
The British manufacturer has had 13 months to step up. Why is it not happening. Have the British Government acted to boost U.K. Industry in the last 13 months.
I think not. You should ask why not?

If I could be bothered to look, I would try to find a post you made a few weeks ago where you said exactly the opposite.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

There is no discussion Barnier is the "lead" negotiator for the EU.
David Davis is "the minister in charge of the Brexit negotiations for the UK"

Barmier is not negotiating anything as he doesn't have any authority to depart even fractionally from the EU'S position papers.

They came to the table believing that we would simply agree to everything they demanded. Now they realise that we won't simply roll over, we will see how long their unity lasts.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Talking of Borders. This from Politico.

"In evidence to the House of Lords, the British overseas territory Anguilla said it was not consulted prior to the EU referendum, did not get a vote, and must be listened to more seriously as it has a direct border with an EU member (France), just like Gibraltar and Northern Ireland. The territory is heavily dependent on France and the Netherlands for essential goods and services"

Who knew? yes of course all the well informed Brexiters.

As Cogito has said, it is an island so doesn't have a land border. It does have an inter island ferry service to St Martin which is French.

St Martin is a funny place, it is half French and half Dutch and not very big. The French side uses Euros, but the dominant currency on the Dutch side is the US dollar. I've been there a couple of times but not yet managed to get the ferry to Anguilla, which is on my to do list. Neither side of St Martin is covered by the Schengen Agreement, nevertheless there is no hard border between the two.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Regarding the ongoing Med migrant situation I note that the Libya has denied an accord for Italian ships to deploy in Libyan waters:
https://www.thelocal.it/20170728/libya-denies-accord-for-italy-ships-to-deploy
Leading to Italy trying a new tack:

CATANIA, Sicily - Charities face having to suspend missions to rescue migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, unless a row with the Italian government can be resolved by Monday.

The organisations, including Save the Children and SOS M!diterran!e, have said they have concerns over proposed rules which would force them to sail with armed police onboard.

They argue this would breach their neutrality and place further stress on the rescued.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ngos-migrant-rescues_uk_597b0df1e4b02a8434b5ba35?utm_hp_ref=uk


Oh and it looks like Macron's plans for centres within Libya could be (being polite) fanciful:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-idUSKBN1AD26C

And so the problem rolls on with no solution from within the EU.
After three years.
Yet some go on about the UK being "behind the curve" as if they are alone in that.



How many posts in a row gfplux? :eek:
Thirteen posts with only one from another contributor squeezed in-between them all.
If any of them contained much which was relevant it wouldn't be so bad but this increasingly looks like attempting pure propaganda; can you not fit your diatribes into fewer posts?

vivatifosi

I've been doing some further reading on the position of Anguilla. It currently receives development funds from the EU, but is not eligible for funding from DFID as it is a British Overseas Terriotory and not an independent nation.

It currently relies on St Martin (Dutch and French) for advanced medical care, fuel, food and other essential imports. Brexit is being used by the Anguillan government to argue that the island needs better infrastructure, in particular a better port, airport and hospital. The island has a population of under 17,000.

Presently the French close their border at 10pm, shutting Anguilla off.

It strikes me that these issues aren't insurmountable, but a big part of it is the Anguillan government asking- not unreasonably - whether the UK will step in and fill the funding gap left if EU funds are withdrawn.

There's a link to the paper on Twitter if anyone wants to read:
https://mobile.twitter.com/govanguillauk?lang=en
(See date 11th July)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

What's the killer plan the UK is going to implement post Brexit to help solve the problem?

So you think the EU will still have no solution by then?
Since the UK will no longer be members of the EU, then probably leave the EU to sort it's own problems.
Which so far seem to pretty much consist of telling Italy it's their problem and hoping it goes away.