Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

always_sunny wrote: »

So do you agree with the UN (since you agree that 70% are economic migrants) that the UK should take in more:

I think firstly that perhaps you missed post # 2008: https://www.thelocal.se/20170721/uk-and-france-now-more-popular-than-sweden-for-asylum-applicants

Secondly I think that just maybe the UK could agree to accepting more when other nations begin to accept their responsibilities and begin to accept some.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh dear.
As if it is not enough that Junckers with his outbursts has not aided opinion surrounding the EU's stance on Brexit, now Michel Barmier appears to be having a hissy-fit of his own because things are not going all his way:
http://news.sky.com/story/eu-negotiator-warns-of-possible-delays-to-brexit-talks-10963798

This is very obviously purely and simply because the UK has not agreed to pay whatever the sum is that the EU request be paid.
Could Brexit come sooner than the end of March 2019 with EU intransigence rather than UK the cause?

The hissy fit was his report of progress or otherwise of talks so far to the 27.
From where most people sit he is not very wide of the mark.
It is not just the financial settlement. The treatment of EU citizens is a serious matter. The Irish issue most agree is linked to the trade talks so that is something that will take more time.
The talks at the end of August are crucial. If progress is not made there will be a significant delay to the second phase which is trade.
To suggest that delay is part of the EU strategy linked to the German elections is laughable. Barnier is the servant of the commission and while Germany are important hanging around awaiting the outcome of the election is too bizaar for words.
If delay were part of the strategy then Britain has walked straight into a trap and needs to get its act together very quickly.
And talking of strategy what is Britains. Davis is supposed to be the negotiator but we all hear more from the talking heads in the cabinet all talking at cross purposes than we do from him.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Did they really know they were going to have to walk across Europe? Can you imagine the traffickers telling them this?

If they knew they'd be stuck in tents on the wrong side of the Hungarian border, maybe they'd try a different tack.

So many seemingly wanting to reach Britain. Probably because so many Brits keep repeating that once you get ashore Britain showers you with money and housing.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh dear.
As if it is not enough that Junckers with his outbursts has not aided opinion surrounding the EU's stance on Brexit, now Michel Barmier appears to be having a hissy-fit of his own because things are not going all his way:
http://news.sky.com/story/eu-negotiator-warns-of-possible-delays-to-brexit-talks-10963798

This is very obviously purely and simply because the UK has not agreed to pay whatever the sum is that the EU request be paid.
Could Brexit come sooner than the end of March 2019 with EU intransigence rather than UK the cause?

What a fool - what with the USA sounding so positive too about the US-UK FTA.

Nuts.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

What a fool - what with the USA sounding so positive too.

Nuts.

You underestimate Barnier at your peril.
As Napoleon said.
"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake"

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

The hissy fit was his report of progress or otherwise of talks so far to the 27.
From where most people sit he is not very wide of the mark.
It is not just the financial settlement. The treatment of EU citizens is a serious matter. The Irish issue most agree is linked to the trade talks so that is something that will take more time.
The talks at the end of August are crucial. If progress is not made there will be a significant delay to the second phase which is trade.

Ah yes, what else would one expect a Europhile to suggest?
You have not been exposed to the horrors currently prevalent in parts of coastal southern France then during your vacances d'ete - or are you now returned?

Never mind; most of a sensible disposition realised that these initial Brexit negotiations would comprise much posturing and so events are proving that viewpoint to be true.
FYI reports are surfacing of David Davis saying there is no reason for any Brexit negotiation delay and that "the Department for Exiting the EU said the Government expected the next stage to begin in October as planned."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4112137/david-davis-hits-back-at-brussels-saying-brexit-trade-talks-will-not-be-delayed-after-michael-barnier-attacked-lack-of-progress-on-eu-divorce-bill/
This from the same link supports one suspicion of what many of us think Barmier & Co. are becoming aggrieved about:

The spokesman added: “On the financial settlement, we have been clear that we recognise the UK has obligations to the EU and that the EU also has obligations to the UK.”

setmefree2

Originally Posted by always_sunny
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The UK has been doing the same exercise for decades now, are you suggesting that multicultural life in the UK is a failure?

Well, Trevor Phillips, the former race equality chief, has said as much.....

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

Quite correct. If ever there were a big, big RED LINE the fate of over 3 million EU national is it.
There is no way the EU can allow itself to cut adrift so many people. Wether it be principle or just weight of numbers.
If Britain condemns those 3 million to limbo there is no way Britain will be able to trade with the 27.
Others have suggested that there are problems that might tear the EU apart. Well this is one issue that could end the EU in a blink of an eye if they were to abandon their own citizens to the mercy of the British Government.

What tosh. You should be careful with your use of hyperbole."At the mercy of the British government" - have I missed something or has the UK suddenly turned into a tin pot dictatorship instead of one of the world's oldest democracies with one of the world's oldest legal systems?

We're not taking away their EU citizenship or passport - they will have dual nationality and will be free to leave Britain anytime they want and go and live anywhere in the EU - presumably if they get British citizenship they can also come back whenever to the UK whenever they want. If they don't like our laws - they have other options.

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

You underestimate Barnier at your peril.
As Napoleon said.
"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake"

Can't say I'm impressed so far tbh.....

setmefree2

Did anyone see Newsnight last night? Hunt down Emily Matitlis' interview with Anthony Scaramucci (new communications director) - its a hoot.

Highlights -

• Scaramucci calls Maitlis elitist
• He clearly didn't know she was a Remoaner because twice he asked her "Don't you want a trade deal with the USA?" Puzzled look from him. Uncomfortable look from her. (I bet inside she was saying - no I want to stay in the EU)
• He didn't know what chlorinated chicken was (silly season story of course)
• Scaramucci said FTA was 100% certain

Worth 11 and a half minutes of anyone's life.


Actually the whole prog wasn't bad. There was an interesting interview at the end between Evan Davies and a Pro Brexit economist on the US- UK trade deal.