Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Thrugelmir

Despite all the hot air that has blown around. Seems as if outside of the political circles. Brexit is gaining it's own natural momentum. The inflexibility of the EU. Which is fully understandable given the number of views which need to be accommodated. It is the UK which is forging ahead to the future. With business simply getting on with day to day matters. What ever the outcome of Brexit it will just be dealt with. No different to any other change that's imposed at domestic or international level.

setmefree2

I did not know this but apparently many EU countries are backward and do not allow dual nationality.

Apparently Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia do not permit dual nationality. And the Dutch and Austrians have severe restrictions.

Spain recognises dual nationality only with countries with which it has a specific connection: Ibero-American countries, Andorra, the Philippines, Equatorial Guinea and Portugal. Britons applying for Spanish nationality therefore need to renounce their UK nationality. Following naturalisation in Spain, the continued use of UK nationality may lead to loss of Spanish nationality.
Spanish citizens who wish to obtain another nationality, such as those living in the UK, do not face this dilemma. They can have dual nationality if they inform the Spanish authorities of their intention to maintain their Spanish citizenship within three years from the moment they acquire UK nationality. Because of this inequality, an agreement on the status of British nationals in Spain – the country that is home to the largest number of British citizens in the EU – is particularly important to address in the Brexit negotiations.

Germany -The national rules on loss of nationality upon acquiring a foreign citizenship are complex and vary from one member state to another. Another potentially complicated situation arises for Britons who want to apply for German nationality. Germany accepts dual nationality only with other member states of the EU. Therefore, while the UK remains an EU member state, UK nationals can apply for German nationality without the need to renounce UK nationality. After Brexit, new applicants will have to give up their UK nationality.

http://theconversation.com/dual-nationality-and-the-hurdles-facing-britons-who-want-to-keep-eu-citizenship-after-brexit-74470

setmefree2

Aberdeen 'worst hit' by hard Brexit, experts predict

Under both models, the group predicted that local trade flows and employment shares meant Aberdeen would see the largest reduction in output, measured by gross value added, over the next ten years - of 3.7% under the "hard" Brexit scenario, or of 2.1% under a "soft" Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40734848

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah yes, what else would one expect a Europhile to suggest?
You have not been exposed to the horrors currently prevalent in parts of coastal southern France then during your vacances d'ete - or are you now returned?

Never mind; most of a sensible disposition realised that these initial Brexit negotiations would comprise much posturing and so events are proving that viewpoint to be true.
FYI reports are surfacing of David Davis saying there is no reason for any Brexit negotiation delay and that "the Department for Exiting the EU said the Government expected the next stage to begin in October as planned."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4112137/david-davis-hits-back-at-brussels-saying-brexit-trade-talks-will-not-be-delayed-after-michael-barnier-attacked-lack-of-progress-on-eu-divorce-bill/
This from the same link supports one suspicion of what many of us think Barmier & Co. are becoming aggrieved about:

Thank you. That is a high compliment and I except it.
Europhile. From Wikipedia. A Europhile is a person who is fond of, admires, or even loves European culture, society, history, food, etc.
Yes that's me, thank you once again.

Have I been exposed to the horrors currently prevelant in the South of France. Perhaps you are referring to the price of a chilled glass of Champagne, or the high prices of fresh fish.
Perhaps you mean the horror of the fires, yes we have luckily only smelt the smoke. Unlike 20 years ago when we were evacuated to the beach for our safety. I am pleased to tell you that the Grande Duke and his family having been evacuated yesterday has returned to his holiday home safe and well.

For you information the independent are reporting words atributed to Barnier that the TRADE talks may/will be delayed by TWO MONTHS and NOT START in October,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-eu-suspend-two-month-delay-talks-michel-barnier-theresa-may-european-union-divorce-a7862651.html

If David Davis wants to snow you with everything is on time, may I remind you that TRADE talks will only start if the EU says so.

Hopefully you have not been exposed to the horrors of the M25 recently.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

What tosh. You should be careful with your use of hyperbole."At the mercy of the British government" - have I missed something or has the UK suddenly turned into a tin pot dictatorship instead of one of the world's oldest democracies with one of the world's oldest legal systems?

We're not taking away their EU citizenship or passport - they will have dual nationality and will be free to leave Britain anytime they want and go and live anywhere in the EU - presumably if they get British citizenship they can also come back whenever to the UK whenever they want. If they don't like our laws - they have other options.

As a remain voter you have found a new home for your anger in the Brexit camp.
You obviously have no concept of what it can feel like to live in a "foreign" country.
To be at the mercy of the British Government! Ask all those British Citizens of working age just under 50 who have been surprised to find that the British Government has arbiterily announced that they will have to work one extra year before they can retire.
This they are doing to British Citizens! What care do you think they have for "foreigners" from the 27?
I have re looked at my statement.
"At the mercy of the British Government"
I do not withdraw it as it is clear the British Government has TRUST issues.
All Governments have trust issues but when you are asked to put your job, your life, your future together with your family's life and future in the hands of the British Government, please tell me why I or any from the 27 should trust them.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

This isn't WW2 so no need to be so over dramatic. The UK is a responsible caring nation that will meet it's obligations to those already here. However it won't leave itself open to unreasonable demands.

I admire your faith. Just ask a British worker aged 47 if he or she has the same faith.

lisyloo

gfplux wrote: »

I admire your faith. Just ask a British worker aged 47 if he has the same faith.

A female worker had her age go up an extra 5 years.
I'm female and I believe parity with men us fair, just a bit odd you said he when females have had an increase of an extra 5 (with plenty of time to plan i might add).

gfplux

lisyloo wrote: »

A female worker had her age go up an extra 5 years.
I'm female and I believe parity with men us fair, just a bit odd you said he when females have had an increase of an extra 5 (with plenty of time to plan i might add).

I apologise, it was an inadvertent slip.
You were right to pull me up on it.
I am trying to be gender neutral.
I have changed it

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

"At the mercy of the British Government"
I do not withdraw it as it is clear the British Government has TRUST issues.

UK based EU citizens can live anywhere they like in the UK after Brexit.

However, the EU have stated that UK citizens currently living in an EU country can only live in that country after Brexit, they can't decide to live elsewhere in the EU.

I would much prefer to be at the mercy of the British Government than the EU.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

As a remain voter you have found a new home for your anger in the Brexit camp.
You obviously have no concept of what it can feel like to live in a "foreign" country.
To be at the mercy of the British Government! Ask all those British Citizens of working age just under 50 who have been surprised to find that the British Government has arbiterily announced that they will have to work one extra year before they can retire.
This they are doing to British Citizens! What care do you think they have for "foreigners" from the 27?
I have re looked at my statement.
"At the mercy of the British Government"
I do not withdraw it as it is clear the British Government has TRUST issues.
All Governments have trust issues but when you are asked to put your job, your life, your future together with your family's life and future in the hands of the British Government, please tell me why I or any from the 27 should trust them.

What's your real issue? A dislike of anything British it seems. Other European Countries are likely to follow a similar path. The UK is far from alone in having an increased state retirement age.

You reside in a low tax environment. Make no contribution to UK tax revenues. Then complain that people shouldn't have to wait longer. Perhaps this is an example of how the EU doesn't work fairly. As not everyone has the same opportunities to exploit the loopholes. .