Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think we're ignoring them, we just don't see them as something that'll actually dissolve the EU.

However, what are we planning to do about this stuff? We could veto these things and encourage the EU to be more like what we want, or we could just walk away and deal with whatever it turns into.

If you're so worried about the effect of migrants on Eastern EU, why aren't we volunteering to help them out by either (a) taking more than a handful of them or (b) sending them some sort of aid/staffing/cash?

What should we be doing about these refugees (rather than migrants)? Send them home and hope that (a) it's still there and (b) they can survive there?

Even the EU's senior politico's themselves acknowledge the threats to the EU's existence - but you will not?
Here are just two - there are more available.

Junckers:

“The European Union is currently not in top condition. Many things did not change for the better. Some developments suggest that in some areas we are being faced with an existential crisis of the European Union.”

http://www.euronews.com/2016/09/14/europe-faced-with-an-existential-crisis-commission-president-juncker

Or this, Verhofstadt:

Setting out the three main existential crises threatening Europe, Mr Verhofstad listed radical Islamic terror, the revanchist Russian president Vladimir Putin and his funding anti-EU, far-Right parties and destabilizing Europe and Donald Trump, the new US president.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/donald-trump-steve-bannon-pose-existential-threat-eu-says-chief/

Now, what makes you think that I am worried about migrants in eastern EU? Can you not understand the difference between reading something and either agreeing with it or being affected by it?

Nonetheless, it is an EU problem and not specifically a UK one - and the EU have had three years without an effective solution forthcoming.
As to what the UK are doing well - as far as asylum seekers are concerned rather than economic migrants - this details who within the EU did what in the first three months of 2017:

UK and France now more popular than Sweden for asylum applicants

https://www.thelocal.se/20170721/uk-and-france-now-more-popular-than-sweden-for-asylum-applicants

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

Can't the same thing be said for the UK though? The country is still fairly divided and even within countries in the UK there's no strong unity. I'd think it's easier to crack the UK than then EU.

Rinoa illustrates a difference in the following post to yours; namely a partisan press.

Dare I say it, but European publications tend to be more moderate.

The UK has always had divisions. We celebrate Churchill now, but I was fascinated to learn that his position in office was very precarious in the early 1940s.

The thing which unites is a common cause. With Brits it is a sense of injustice.

I reckon the authoritarian nature of the EU will be played on, in the coming months.

How you square the interests of the Irish with say the Polish or Spanish is challenging, especially if the negotiations seem to favour one over the other. It's very clear there will be winners and losers from all this.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

Actually as an EU migrant I completely disagree; like you I am not worried one bit because the UK needs to work out.
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The EU policy towards basic labour is clear. Create a marketplace and supply source big enough, and you essentially make basic labour a commodity.

Well, you can extend this concept outside the EU. The world is awash with labour. Of course, it takes time to transition, but pay people enough and they will cover the gaps.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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What should we be doing about these refugees (rather than migrants)? Send them home and hope that (a) it's still there and (b) they can survive there?

Pretty much.

Oh, we could help the African states by not being so protectionist about European agriculture.

The Middle East is a basket case; has been for decades. It's why my Christian relatives got out when they could. Christianity will be wiped out in the Middle East.

Conrad

“The UK attracted more foreign direct investment projects than ever before this year, and, overall, the UK is still the number one destination for inward investment in Europe, with the technology, renewable energy, life sciences and creative industries all seeing an increase in the number of projects. In

Read more at: http://www.louthleader.co.uk/news/foreign-investors-bring-170m-investment-to-greater-lincolnshire-1-8073673

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

The EU policy towards basic labour is clear. Create a marketplace and supply source big enough, and you essentially make basic labour a commodity.

Well, you can extend this concept outside the EU. The world is awash with labour. Of course, it takes time to transition, but pay people enough and they will cover the gaps.

And what is the UK policy towards labour? Does it offer anything better?

always_sunny

Conrad wrote: »

“The UK attracted more foreign direct investment projects than ever before this year, and, overall, the UK is still the number one destination for inward investment in Europe, with the technology, renewable energy, life sciences and creative industries all seeing an increase in the number of projects. In

Read more at: http://www.louthleader.co.uk/news/foreign-investors-bring-170m-investment-to-greater-lincolnshire-1-8073673

of course it is, we covered this before and the fact that the pound is low makes it even cheaper for foreign companies to invest and buy British assets/companies. Is it a good thing? Who knows.

Conrad

always_sunny wrote: »

of course it is, we covered this before and the fact that the pound is low makes it even cheaper for foreign companies to invest and buy British assets/companies. Is it a good thing? Who knows.

More competitive currency is only ONE factor firms and investors consider when deciding where to invest. I presume you know this right?


You can talk down our prospects till the cows come home, it's all total nonsense informed by bias and ignorance, especially regards Europeans voting to harm their own sales to UK which is never going to happen.


One day you will finally recognise you were wrong, whether you admit it is another matter

Herzlos

always_sunny wrote: »

Can't the same thing be said for the UK though? The country is still fairly divided and even within countries in the UK there's no strong unity. I'd think it's easier to crack the UK than then EU.

Definitely. No EU member (except UK, who has always been a reluctant member) has come as close to leaving the EU as Scotland has the UK - the SNP have a majority in both houses, and we've had a referendum which was nearly as close as Brexit. Whilst there are anti-EU parties in the EU, none of them have any majority or forced a referendum yet.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

And what is the UK policy towards labour? Does it offer anything better?

Labour policy is dictated by truly global corporations now. Tories/Labour ...doesn't matter. They are both desperate to attract jobs, and this means kowtowing to the Lobbyists and big business.

'Better' just means 'suits your own circumstances more'.