Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Aren't the majority already registered, i.e. National Insurance number. Bigger problem is for those under the radar. Paid cash and work in the black economy.

They may or may not be. NI number, tax number, credit card, bank account, but they will have to APPLY for registration. That's 3.2 million (Governments estimate) individuals that are NOT in the black economy.
Those who might be on the black are not of concern as those "Jack the lads" may or may not register. If they do it will only add to the numbers.
You might make light of this but these are all real people who have come to Britain to work in the economy and pay their taxes.
Can you imagine the concern in these households over their future.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Nope. I don't worry about the EU migrants one bit. It's their problem to work out.

I don't think they should be offered any rights until a complete settlement on all matters EU-UK is arrived at.

I assume you have the same feeling towards the +1million Brits who are presently living in one of the 27.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Personally, if I wanted to gain the upper hand, I would find ways to split the EU27.

Has already been tried by team Theresa....and failed.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

Has already been tried by team Theresa....and failed.

They'll split themselves in the end. It all comes down to rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU. Let's remember that Barmier and co are not actually doing any negotiating. They have simply turned up at the meetings with EU position papers and expect the UK to roll over and agree. The UK has clearly and correctly said that ECJ jurisdiction is not acceptable and made reasonable offers to the EU for ways to resolve the impasse. Barmier has said no because he has no authority to negotiate.

If this situation isn't resolved, clearly nothing else can be resolved including the question of the fantasy money that the EU want. The EU position papers are simply a consensus of what the 27 members want and any movement by the EU means that one or more of the members isn't going to be happy. We'll see then just how united the EU members actually are.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

Has already been tried by team Theresa....and failed.

Well, it's failed so far. That's a reasonable enough assessment.

It's too early to get any real assessment though. We need to wait for a few big rows, and bust ups.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

They may or may not be. NI number, tax number, credit card, bank account, but they will have to APPLY for registration. That's 3.2 million (Governments estimate) individuals that are NOT in the black economy.
Those who might be on the black are not of concern as those "Jack the lads" may or may not register. If they do it will only add to the numbers.
You might make light of this but these are all real people who have come to Britain to work in the economy and pay their taxes.
Can you imagine the concern in these households over their future.

Even if there is a total breakdown of relationships between the UK and EU, which I hope won't happen, the UK will seek to support those EU workers already here and working. To not do so would damage the economy and cause shortages in key sectors such as the NHS.

Those that aren't formally employed, or who are claiming benefits or are retired would be the ones that should worry in that circumstance, whether here or in the EU27. Anyone who takes more out than they put into a system.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

I assume you have the same feeling towards the +1million Brits who are presently living in one of the 27.

Of course.

The Brits who suffered from land grab in Valencia, for example. They know the risks from living in a different state.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

Even if there is a total breakdown of relationships between the UK and EU, which I hope won't happen, the UK will seek to support those EU workers already here and working. To not do so would damage the economy and cause shortages in key sectors such as the NHS.
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This is just Brexit, not a military coup.

The NHS will do what it always does. It will have to pay enough to attract people from wherever.

vivatifosi

kabayiri wrote: »

This is just Brexit, not a military coup.

The NHS will do what it always does. It will have to pay enough to attract people from wherever.

Which is my point, though I may have written awkwardly. Those in jobs will likely stay in jobs. It doesn't make sense to deport a couple of million workers.

always_sunny

vivatifosi wrote: »

Which is my point, though I may have written awkwardly. Those in jobs will likely stay in jobs. It doesn't make sense to deport a couple of million workers.

Absolutely, but would you be surprised if they were asked to? Nope!