Teacher broke schools child safeguarding rules - WWYD?

sulkisu

Spendless wrote: »

People expecting a car to develop wings and fly and usually being able to cover 100 miles distance in 15 minutes (the distance the OP says her friend works away from the school).

What car dealerships are people going to, because I dearly want a car like this and feel I must have been sold a pup with mine.

No, OP said it's a 15 minute drive, not 100 miles. That came from another poster.

maman

lush_walrus wrote: »

It's an interesting one, our school charges £15 for every ten minutes you are late for collection. There is no arguing, no excuses it is charged. They run an after school club also, if it's not booked the charges are applied as above. If late for collecting from that it's £20 per ten minutes up until 6 then it's £30 per ten. They have a signing out book and a red line is placed at school finish and then after school etc. I've never seen a name signed out below in any of our children's classes.

Out of curiosity after reading this thread and needing to visit accounts anyway, I asked accounts how often they need to enforce the additional fee and she said very rarely, on average 4 or 5 times a year. The school is 300 ish children from 3 to 18, so say 150 that need collecting.

It's interesting how when there is a fee attached to being late how many manage to arrive on time and how few are late.

Is this an independent school?

lush_walrus wrote: »

Don't know maybe someone else can comment, I can only talk for our school. I don't know if state schools have the permissions to charge in the same way, perhaps they can?

I've never heard of a state school charging for lateness. The earlier examples, I assume, are from private nurseries or independent schools. It might be a bit different where a private company runs an after school club.


Most state schools, in my experience, have a similar policy to OP's friend. The child stays in the classroom 'helping' until the teacher needs to leave (some children find it very distressing when no one comes to collect them). The teacher/headteacher/ office staff will try calling parents and any named contacts to arrange collection and only as a last resort (usually at about 5.30 p.m/6 p.m) will call Social Services. By this point the school has probably found out that parent is in local pub or wherever.

Angry_Bear

lush_walrus wrote: »

Don't know maybe someone else can comment, I can only talk for our school. I don't know if state schools have the permissions to charge in the same way, perhaps they can?

There is a book called Freakonomics that covers exactly this sort of scenario. If such a fee is too low, then parents are more likely to be late, because they feel like they're paying for it so it's okay.
Of course if it's too high it may cause genuine hardship for people.

In some cases, social pressure (attaching a social stigma to lateness) is a much more effective incentive than a financial penalty.

There are also a number of other interesting anecdotes, for a book that's essentially about economics, it's a very good read .

ETA: This is the one I was thinking about https://www.amazon.co.uk/Freakonomics-Economist-Explores-Hidden-Everything/dp/0141019018, but there are a set of related podcasts and a website now.

Spendless

sulkisu wrote: »

No, OP said it's a 15 minute drive, not 100 miles. That came from another poster.

Yes I know. It was ridiculous of that poster to suggest that the parent was taking a job 100 miles away when it had been clearly stated she worked 15 minutes drive away. That was what I was meaning if you can routinely cover 100 miles in 15 mins I want the car that can do this, I especially want one that can fly over traffic and avoid any hold-ups.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

I'm calling "troll" on this one . I've got a daughter in reception, you're telling me that school finishes at 3.15 and by 3.30 every child but 2 were left and the teacher had gone hurlting out of there in their car? As if. In reality about half an hour after school has finished there are kids still meandering around getting their coats and bags, going off to after school things. The teachers aren't going anywhere 15 minutes after the official finish time.

Try harder, OP.

maman

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

I'm calling "troll" on this one . I've got a daughter in reception, you're telling me that school finishes at 3.15 and by 3.30 every child but 2 were left and the teacher had gone hurlting out of there in their car? As if. In reality about half an hour after school has finished there are kids still meandering around getting their coats and bags, going off to after school things. The teachers aren't going anywhere 15 minutes after the official finish time.

Try harder, OP.

I'm not so sure.

Maybe there is some poetic licence with the exact times but Friday is probably the only day in a week when teachers might try to get away. It was plausible to me although some posters obviously didn't read the OP'S posts properly.

Savvy_Sue

usefulmale wrote: »

It's also perfectly possible that this other parent could have been security vetted by MI6 for his job. The teacher MAY know this. The OPs friend almost certainly would not.

I'm not convinced that vetting procedures for MI6 are comparable to DBS checks ...

lush_walrus wrote: »

It's an interesting one, our school charges £15 for every ten minutes you are late for collection. There is no arguing, no excuses it is charged.

I do not think a state school could charge for late collection!

penguingirl wrote: »

Interestingly I've also heard of this backfiring- because there is a clear plan in place for lateness, some parents will be less bothered about being on time as they will just pay the cost, rather than feeling guilty that they are delaying a teacher /TA.

Indeed.

When I ran an afterschool club, we had very few problems with late collection, except from one mother, who really seemed unable to comprehend that the club finished at 5.45 pm, and the caretaker wanted to lock the school by 6 pm. She wasn't coming from work either, but from home ... very very slowly!

sulkisu

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

I'm calling "troll" on this one . I've got a daughter in reception, you're telling me that school finishes at 3.15 and by 3.30 every child but 2 were left and the teacher had gone hurlting out of there in their car? As if. In reality about half an hour after school has finished there are kids still meandering around getting their coats and bags, going off to after school things. The teachers aren't going anywhere 15 minutes after the official finish time.

Try harder, OP.

OP has been around for a while and her posts are pretty consistent, so I wouldn't be so quick to cry 'troll' - although invariably on MSE, someone always seems to feel the need to say it - some more than others .
In my son's school, school is out at 3.10pm and on the nights where there are no after-school activities (Monday, Tuesday and Friday) parents and children have to be off the premises by 3.30pm - end of. And surprise, surprise, we all seem to manage it just fine - especially on a Friday! (And no, I'm not a troll either). It helps that they get their coats on before the bell goes. The parents line up, your child's name is called and out they come -
6 classes in total, it doesn't actually take that long.
Also I don't think OP said the whole school was empty, just the classroom.

ecgirl07

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

I'm calling "troll" on this one . I've got a daughter in reception, you're telling me that school finishes at 3.15 and by 3.30 every child but 2 were left and the teacher had gone hurlting out of there in their car? As if. In reality about half an hour after school has finished there are kids still meandering around getting their coats and bags, going off to after school things. The teachers aren't going anywhere 15 minutes after the official finish time.

Try harder, OP.

4 or 5 times a year teachers have CPD in other schools usually starting at 3.45. Those days it's kids out sharp and you go out with the line to beat school traffic to drive across town to an other school. It's entirely plausible.

Red-Squirrel_2

ecgirl07 wrote: »

4 or 5 times a year teachers have CPD in other schools usually starting at 3.45. Those days it's kids out sharp and you go out with the line to beat school traffic to drive across town to an other school. It's entirely plausible.

I also know teachers who are out and gone with the bell to go and pick their own kids up but do an hour or two of work after they've put them to bed each evening, it's just down to his they manage their time.