Teacher broke schools child safeguarding rules - WWYD?

usefulmale

AylesburyDuck wrote: »

Now now now, dont be slippery :rotfl:
Lets take your very first post to me.
Trolling or disagreeing.....well i dont actually see any part where you have disagreed with me, all i see is a very uninformed personal attack. Had you actually disagreed, and said what with, and had a proper adult dialogue then thats a different matter and i might have conceded. And yes its perfectly fine to disagree, each to their own.
Now trip trap, trip trap, off you pop!
No more food from me no matter how much you bleat!

I often reply to threads on this very subject. Out of all the people I have challenged about their 'safeguarding worries', not one has been able to articulate a plausible, real-world risk scenario.

I know you are not the OP, but lets look at your response to the situation

AylesburyDuck wrote: »

I'd be livid i'm afraid, if this teacher is going to ASSUME this parent/father was safe to leave another parents child with then why have criminal record checks and the such like AT ALL!

First of all, how do you know the teacher is ASSUMING? It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the teacher knows just about ALL the parents of children in the class. The OPs friend may not do so.

It's also perfectly possible that this other parent could have been security vetted by MI6 for his job. The teacher MAY know this. The OPs friend almost certainly would not.

AylesburyDuck wrote: »

Wether she thought she was doing the parent a favour is irrelevant, wether it all turned out ok in the end is irrelevant also as frankly it may not have, as a parent i'd rather take a dressing down on the chin than have my child in ANY form or other put in potential harms way.

This is the hysterical part in my opinion, indicated by the fact you have capitalised 'any'. You put your child in potential harms way every time you strap them into your car seat. Do you give that any second thought? I don't. It's just life. Fact is, your child is far more likely to be hit by a meteor, than to come to any harm being left in a classroom with another child and their parent.

Unless, of course, you have some links to cases where this scenario has actually happened (not the meteor one, I hasten to add)?

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

onlyroz wrote: »

I'm surprised there was nobody in the office to answer the phone. At our school the office staff stay until 4pm and if parents are late (which is occasionally unavoidable) then the child sits in the office until the parent can get there. Circumstances would have to be extreme for social services to get involved.


Personally, I wouldn't be happy about the child being left with a parent, but I wouldn't make a huge fuss about it. You can make it known that you think a more appropriate procedure should have been followed but unless anything like this happened again I wouldn't do anything beyond that.

Most likely, they were dealing with all the parents actually at the school office at the time and either didn't hear the phone or couldn't walk away from them mid sentence to answer a phone call. It's the busiest time of the day, as you'll get the 'can we look in lost property?', 'I'm here to hand in the permission slip/payment for...', 'I'd like to talk to the Head about...', 'Is x club on tonight?', 'can I have a form for...?', 'I need to update the contact details', 'Miss Bloggs took my son's fidget spinner off him, but he needs it because...', 'Jamie's come out wearing somebody else's jumper, here it is' and 'Mummy isn't here yet', along with it often being the pick up point for after school care, etc.

Fireflyaway

If this were me I'd leave it be. Had this happened 20 years ago you wouldn't be asking this question. Everyone is so hyper aware of child abuse and safeguarding we have become a bit paranoid. The child was in the school, there were staff still in the school and although technically wrong, I think the teaching assistant was trying to avoid getting the mum in trouble, nice intentions even if executed the wrong way.
I wonder if your friend would have felt differently if the other parent were female?
We all make mistakes and I don't think this ranks badly enough to make a complaint.

pinkshoes

Given parents leave kids at parties without making sure the parent is CRB checked, then I really do not see the issue.

If the teacher had ANY doubts, then I am sure they would not have left the child there.

If your friend DOES make a complaint (IMHO unnecessarily...) then if she is EVER late again, she should expect the school to call in social services etc...

She needs to tread carefully, as clearly the teacher was doing her a favour!

gettingtheresometime

Fireflyaway wrote: »

If this were me I'd leave it be. Had this happened 20 years ago you wouldn't be asking this question. Everyone is so hyper aware of child abuse and safeguarding we have become a bit paranoid. The child was in the school, there were staff still in the school and although technically wrong, I think the teaching assistant was trying to avoid getting the mum in trouble, nice intentions even if executed the wrong way.
I wonder if your friend would have felt differently if the other parent were female?
We all make mistakes and I don't think this ranks badly enough to make a complaint.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make (admittedly badly!)

I'd have a bigger issue with the fact that the school feels the need to tell parents off - if a parent continually arrives let yes there needs to be a conversation but to be made to feel like a school child would wind me up on end.

badmemory

I was late once in my child's whole school career. I still remember it (he is 35 now). Those of us who do it when something goes badly wrong do not need anyone to make us feel bad, we can manage that on our own. I believe the OP should suggest to her friend that she let this lie. Of course, if anything similar should happen again, then would be the time to go for the throat. Maybe ask the teacher if she knows of a way to contact the school if no-one is answering the phone.

Spendless

DavidP24 wrote: »

No excuses, if the child needs to be collected at 15:15 you do not take a job 100 miles away that will make you late.

People expecting a car to develop wings and fly and usually being able to cover 100 miles distance in 15 minutes (the distance the OP says her friend works away from the school).

What car dealerships are people going to, because I dearly want a car like this and feel I must have been sold a pup with mine.

lush_walrus

Spendless wrote: »

People expecting a car to develop wings and fly and usually being able to cover 100 miles distance in 15 minutes (the distance the OP says her friend works away from the school).

What car dealerships are people going to, because I dearly want a car like this and feel I must have been sold a pup with mine.

It's an interesting one, our school charges £15 for every ten minutes you are late for collection. There is no arguing, no excuses it is charged. They run an after school club also, if it's not booked the charges are applied as above. If late for collecting from that it's £20 per ten minutes up until 6 then it's £30 per ten. They have a signing out book and a red line is placed at school finish and then after school etc. I've never seen a name signed out below in any of our children's classes.

Most parents work and most commute. We have three daughter and have never been late.

Out of curiosity after reading this thread and needing to visit accounts anyway, I asked accounts how often they need to enforce the additional fee and she said very rarely, on average 4 or 5 times a year. The school is 300 ish children from 3 to 18, so say 150 that need collecting.

It's interesting how when there is a fee attached to being late how many manage to arrive on time and how few are late.

penguingirl

lush_walrus wrote: »

It's interesting how when there is a fee attached to being late how many manage to arrive on time and how few are late.

Interestingly I've also heard of this backfiring- because there is a clear plan in place for lateness, some parents will be less bothered about being on time as they will just pay the cost, rather than feeling guilty that they are delaying a teacher /TA. A bit like those who will just incorporate costs of a fine for having holidays in term time into their holiday budget (not that I'm opening that can of worms).

lush_walrus

penguingirl wrote: »

Interestingly I've also heard of this backfiring- because there is a clear plan in place for lateness, some parents will be less bothered about being on time as they will just pay the cost, rather than feeling guilty that they are delaying a teacher /TA. A bit like those who will just incorporate costs of a fine for having holidays in term time into their holiday budget (not that I'm opening that can of worms).

Don't know maybe someone else can comment, I can only talk for our school. I don't know if state schools have the permissions to charge in the same way, perhaps they can?