the snap general election thread

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You do realise that the UK isn't alone on driving on the left hand side of the road.

Of course. We drive on the same side as some of the massive car importing powerhouses like Malta, Cyprus, India & Australia (both of which IIRC have huge tariffs on imported cars):

http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Car-Hire-Blog/August-2009/Which-Countries-Drive-on-the-Left,--a-Handy-Guide.aspx

Chrysalis

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's the financial correlation between Brexit and investment in public sector services?

The link is that they will have been voted for the same reasons.

They had the impression that we had a net loss of cash by been in the EU so voted for brexit with the belief it would lead to lower taxes.

Chrysalis

Sapphire wrote: »

Chrysalis;72764657
'they may not be around as the affect of under investment in public services takes affect more and more'

In passing, correct usage in this case is 'effect', not 'affect'. How to use 'effect' and 'affect':

The effect of such a strategy is that…

It affected more people than you realise…

Do I care about my wording more than the issues been discussed, no.

Thrugelmir

Chrysalis wrote: »

They had the impression that we had a net loss of cash by been in the EU so voted for brexit with the belief it would lead to lower taxes.

Somewhat unlikely scenario.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Of course. We drive on the same side as some of the massive car importing powerhouses like Malta, Cyprus, India & Australia (both of which IIRC have huge tariffs on imported cars):

http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Car-Hire-Blog/August-2009/Which-Countries-Drive-on-the-Left,--a-Handy-Guide.aspx

I don't rate the UK as a powerhouse either.

That went with the end of the Empire.

Chrysalis

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Somewhat unlikely scenario.

True but farage is a great persuader.

Cakeguts

Slight change of subject back to the general election. I was up the garden just now and I realised something odd has been going on. It feels like brainwashing but I can't see how it started. I remember the cults in the USA where the members had an answer for everything but if you asked an awkward question they would say that you had been misled. Or that there was biased reporting about their wonderful leader. They didn't debate anything they just implied that they and their wonderful cult had the answers to everything and everyone else was misinformed.

I have spent the afternoon variously reporting, deleting and blocking people from a social media site that I am a member of and as time went on I realised how similar all the posts from outside sources and from the posters themselves were to these US cults. No debate allowed they are right you are wrong. Their wonderful leader is right about everything you are wrong.

It is so bad this lack of debate and the fact that they are right and everyone else is misled that it feels as if they have somehow been radicalised. What worries me is that if they have been subjected to IS type tactics what happens next when their glorious leader is not given power? The more I think about it the more I realise that most of the people who I know who behave in this way are very likely to believe what they are told so are easy prey to this kind of thing. The strong minded ones who question everything they read or are told are not affected at all and can see the glorious leader for what he is.

Social media has got to get its act together and the public the ones who have not been drawn into this have got to stand up to the others however unpleasant they are.Some of the people I know have been rude and very unpleasant when challenged. The Labour party needs to get its act together and stop its supporters from behaving in this undemocratic way.

I worry about free speech.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Cakeguts wrote: »

Starting salary for a nurse in the UK is £21,000 per year. Entry requirements for a course in nursing at a dud London university mean you don't need any As at A level to do the course so that means based on historical levels of education you can now become a nurse after a course where your entry standard of education to the course is 3 old O levels. That must be one of the highest paid jobs for the lowest level of education in the country. It is also extremely worrying that there are people working in health care who have such low levels of education. (Anyone who got an E for A level when A levels and O levels were difficult would now get an A for an A level so anything less than an A at A level now is comparable to an old O level.

However if someone is working in a job where their school qualifications were 3 old O levels you can see why they may not be able to budget on £21,000 per year. The problem is not the low level nursing salaries (they are high compared to educational qualifications) what is worrying is that the NHS will employ people as nurses who have got less than 3 As for A level. No wonder the NHS is in such a state.

This is such a bizarre post.

You really think that every job should be paid / assessed solely on the basis of academic prowess at O level (GCSE now BTW if you want to catch up) ? Why?

Has your "IQ" ever heard of EQ?

Compare a cancer nurse who happily and accurately calculates the median number of days you have left to cheer you up; but has no empathy or insight into how you feel.

You demean only yourself by thinking in such a small box.

Cakeguts

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

This is such a bizarre post.

You really think that every job should be paid / assessed solely on the basis of academic prowess at O level (GCSE now BTW if you want to catch up) ? Why?

Has your "IQ" ever heard of EQ?

Compare a cancer nurse who happily and accurately calculates the median number of days you have left to cheer you up; but has no empathy or insight into how you feel.

You demean only yourself by thinking in such a small box.

I don't I thought it through very carefully. If you can only manage 3 O levels in 2 years when everyone else can manage 8 you either don't learn very fast or you take a long time to do anything. For a health worker who is not having anything to do with medical problems eg washing patients or emptying bed pans or helping patients onto comodes there isn't a problem but you don't need a degree to do these jobs. What worries me is if the person is doing the nursing and something changes that needs a fast reaction to the change. Someone who works so slowly that they can only do 3 O levels in the time that everyone else can do 8 won't be able to react to the change fast enough so you can only put people with degrees like this in non emergency situations and with non critical patients. They might be alright for changing dressings on patients just before they are discharged but I wouldn't want them to be changing a dressing on someone who might bleed badly simply due to the lack of being able to process new information quickly enough. The point is that for the jobs that they can do there is no need for a degree. A certificate in health care would be enough but you can get a certificate in health care from doing an apprenticeship. So why not offer all these low level nursing jobs as apprenticeship and leave the university degrees for the nurses who are going to do the critical care and emergency medicine. It would save the students 3 years of wasted time at university and it would save the NHS a lot of money because it would no longer have to pay health care certificate holders nursing salaries. It would also raise the status of nursing because you would have to get top A level results to study it.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Cakeguts wrote: »

I don't I thought it through very carefully. If you can only manage 3 O levels in 2 years when everyone else can manage 8 you either don't learn very fast or you take a long time to do anything. For a health worker who is not having anything to do with medical problems eg washing patients or emptying bed pans or helping patients onto comodes there isn't a problem but you don't need a degree to do these jobs. What worries me is if the person is doing the nursing and something changes that needs a fast reaction to the change. Someone who works so slowly that they can only do 3 O levels in the time that everyone else can do 8 won't be able to react to the change fast enough so you can only put people with degrees like this in non emergency situations and with non critical patients. They might be alright for changing dressings on patients just before they are discharged but I wouldn't want them to be changing a dressing on someone who might bleed badly simply due to the lack of being able to process new information quickly enough. The point is that for the jobs that they can do there is no need for a degree. A certificate in health care would be enough but you can get a certificate in health care from doing an apprenticeship. So why not offer all these low level nursing jobs as apprenticeship and leave the university degrees for the nurses who are going to do the critical care and emergency medicine. It would save the students 3 years of wasted time at university and it would save the NHS a lot of money because it would no longer have to pay health care certificate holders nursing salaries. It would also raise the status of nursing because you would have to get top A level results to study it.

Have you ever noticed how academic prowess is often paired with a lack of practical skills?
Your analysis suggests you haven't worked in a medical environment OR actually understood that people are not excluded from applying where they can demonstrate ability, dedication and aptitude for their intended career. They aren't chosen specifically because of limited academic qualifications / with no other merit.

I am no careers advisor and I suggest you don't apply for such a job either.