the snap general election thread

Arklight

Cakeguts wrote: »

I don't I thought it through very carefully. If you can only manage 3 O levels in 2 years when everyone else can manage 8 you either don't learn very fast or you take a long time to do anything. For a health worker who is not having anything to do with medical problems eg washing patients or emptying bed pans or helping patients onto comodes there isn't a problem but you don't need a degree to do these jobs. What worries me is if the person is doing the nursing and something changes that needs a fast reaction to the change. Someone who works so slowly that they can only do 3 O levels in the time that everyone else can do 8 won't be able to react to the change fast enough so you can only put people with degrees like this in non emergency situations and with non critical patients. They might be alright for changing dressings on patients just before they are discharged but I wouldn't want them to be changing a dressing on someone who might bleed badly simply due to the lack of being able to process new information quickly enough. The point is that for the jobs that they can do there is no need for a degree. A certificate in health care would be enough but you can get a certificate in health care from doing an apprenticeship. So why not offer all these low level nursing jobs as apprenticeship and leave the university degrees for the nurses who are going to do the critical care and emergency medicine. It would save the students 3 years of wasted time at university and it would save the NHS a lot of money because it would no longer have to pay health care certificate holders nursing salaries. It would also raise the status of nursing because you would have to get top A level results to study it.

FGS you are COMPLETELY wrong about the entry requirements for adult nursing, and don't appear to know what an A Level is anyway.

How you can sound off at such length about something of which you know so little is incredible.

fewgroats

I think the sacking of three backbenchers might be decisive in whether Corbyn will keep/increase the number of votes he has, or lose them.

paparossco

Ok I've only had 40 years of working in the NHS and married to a nurse for 30, but my general observation is that doctors see the condition, nurses see the person. Some of the best nurses I know started right at the bottom of the tree, as what was then called Enrolled Nurses, and worked their way up the hard way. Some doctors are academically brilliant but have little common sense :-)

Cakeguts

paparossco wrote: »

Ok I've only had 40 years of working in the NHS and married to a nurse for 30, but my general observation is that doctors see the condition, nurses see the person. Some of the best nurses I know started right at the bottom of the tree, as what was then called Enrolled Nurses, and worked their way up the hard way. Some doctors are academically brilliant but have little common sense :-)

What qualifications did you need to become an enrolled nurse. Starting qualifications. I would guess either a certain number of CSEs or O levels?

hallmark

I see the "A Little Perspective" thread was moved

As predicted, the Conservatives are the Government & already going about the business of Brexit. Outside of the campaign arena, May continues to get stuff done, whilst Corbyn, briefly flattered & no doubt fully believing the hype he surrounds himself in, has already been shown to be exactly the same disaster of a leader he was before. No less than 50 revolting Labour MPs! Utter shambles & Corbyn forced to yet again dish out another round of sackings.

Meanwhile the Labour moderates face de-selection as Jezza winds his tentacles ever tighter around what used to be the Labour party. Watch this space for fun & games there.

All the talk of the Tories in disarray suddenly seems rather silly. In comparison to Labour they are a model of stability. The Queen's speech approved & support in place from a DUP motivated by the most powerful combination you can think of: actually being paid to keep an IRA-sympathizer out of power.

Corbyn seems to think he'll be PM shortly so you can only think he's planning to weaponize every tragedy as it happens & encourage a few riots along the way. That's already being seen through though.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Cakeguts wrote: »

What qualifications did you need to become an enrolled nurse. Starting qualifications. I would guess either a certain number of CSEs or O levels?

So to be applying with CSEs or O levels - they would have to be aged around 47. Both stopped in 1987/88.

As you still fail to gather, being suitable to train to become a nurse is about more than academic prowess at GCSEs.

I am starting to think the 8 you mention you got so easily, are evidence the speed of thought you deem essential for a nurse is not solely down to academic brilliance ;-)

Spidernick

hallmark wrote: »

I see the "A Little Perspective" thread was moved

As predicted, the Conservatives are the Government & already going about the business of Brexit. Outside of the campaign arena, May continues to get stuff done, whilst Corbyn, briefly flattered & no doubt fully believing the hype he surrounds himself in, has already been shown to be exactly the same disaster of a leader he was before. No less than 50 revolting Labour MPs! Utter shambles & Corbyn forced to yet again dish out another round of sackings.

Meanwhile the Labour moderates face de-selection as Jezza winds his tentacles ever tighter around what used to be the Labour party. Watch this space for fun & games there.

All the talk of the Tories in disarray suddenly seems rather silly. In comparison to Labour they are a model of stability. The Queen's speech approved & support in place from a DUP motivated by the most powerful combination you can think of: actually being paid to keep an IRA-sympathizer out of power.

Corbyn seems to think he'll be PM shortly so you can only think he's planning to weaponize every tragedy as it happens & encourage a few riots along the way. That's already being seen through though.

Of course the Tories are going to put on a united front to get the Queen's speech through, but let's wait and see what happens in the coming weeks. If you seriously think that the Tories aren't at least as split as Labour when it comes to 'Brexit' I think you are in for a rude awakening.

I cannot but admire those Labour politicians that stuck to their principles. The consequences of us leaving the EU are now finally being felt and who can blame them for voting against the almighty mess we now find ourselves in?

The stuff about Corbyn believing the hype is ironic. Possibly there's some truth in your claim, but it was May who believed all the hype: she thought she was Thatcher Mark II, the new Messiah who couldn't fail to sweep all before her and that's the whole reason we're left with a virtual zombie government that is going to struggle to get anything done for however long it lasts. Hubris barely begins to describe her!

Fella

Spidernick wrote: »

I cannot but admire those Labour politicians that stuck to their principles. The consequences of us leaving the EU are now finally being felt and who can blame them for voting against the almighty mess we now find ourselves in?

The 17 million people who voted to Leave: We had a democratic referendum. The job of our MPs is to deliver that outcome, not to try to overturn it because it's not the result they wanted.

Filo25

Fella wrote: »

The 17 million people who voted to Leave: We had a democratic referendum. The job of our MPs is to deliver that outcome, not to try to overturn it because it's not the result they wanted.

To be fair there was nothing in the amendment proposed that sought to overturn the result of the referendum.

paparossco

Cakeguts wrote: »

What qualifications did you need to become an enrolled nurse. Starting qualifications. I would guess either a certain number of CSEs or O levels?

You had to be able to prove you could read and write certainly but this was a true 'vocationally trained' person.