the snap general election thread

Arklight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I suppose when your football team lose 1-0 when expected to lose 5-0 you tell your mates it's a "minor victory", right?

Can we please exorcise these perception based "facts" from society as soon as possible. Ta.

Considering you lot were gloating your hands together about a Labour wipe out before the election, and widely prophesying the end of any kind of socialist narrative in public life, you have fallen far and fast by trying to spin the result as anything other than unmitigated disaster for the Tories.


Not only has May's election killed off the neoliberal manifesto that she thought she was going to force through, it has holed Brexit below the waterline. The Tories are now left with a lame duck Prime Minister they can;t get rid of because no one else wants the job.


Labour meanwhile have had an astonishing left wing resurgency. Corbyn has in one swoop united the Youth and left wing vote behind him, cowed the previously ungovernable Right of his own party in a way that May and Cameron before her could only pine for in theirs, and also showed the right wing press to be the empty vessels they deserve to be.

Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail won't influence the next election - which Labour will win on a socialist agenda, nor will centrist and Left British politicians feel they need to dance to Dacre's poisoned and antiquated tune.


That is all behind us, and we largely have Corbyn and his team to thank.


The momentum is all with Labour. Just because you don't realise the world is changing around you doesn't mean that it isn't happening.


Meanwhile the Tories have apparently found a magic money tree. It won;t be enough and it won't save them from a crushing defeat in the next election, but in the meantime the Labour opposition has killed their worst policies and forced them leftwards.


A rather good result I think.

Fella

Spidernick wrote: »

'Take out bits'? I think it's a lot more than that.

If you really think Labour has no power then why doesn't the Telegraph agree with you?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/theresa-mays-fragile-grip-power-exposed-accepts-labour-abortion/

I think you're in denial, old chap!

Haha, interesting you agree with the Telegraph now. I look forward to you accepting that what they write is the truth in future.

Again, hate to burst your bubble, but the Tories are the Government. It's amusing and a little tragic that you think it's other's who are in denial.

Fella

Ballard wrote: »

I completely disagree. The Tories have the backing of the popular press which is massive.

No matter how many times this line is repeated, it still won't be true. They have the backing of SOME of the popular press, as do Labour. Last time I looked none of the Mirror, the Guardian, the Huffington Post, or the Independent for example, were backing the Tories.

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

A rather good result I think.

The excellent news for you is that there's every chance Corbyn might manage something nearly as good next time.

Ballard

Fella wrote: »

No matter how many times this line is repeated, it still won't be true. They have the backing of SOME of the popular press, as do Labour. Last time I looked none of the Mirror, the Guardian, the Huffington Post, or the Independent for example, were backing the Tories.

Google the word popular and then look at circulation of those newspapers.

Fella

Ballard wrote: »

Google the word popular and then look at circulation of those newspapers.

You are getting things the wrong way around.

The Sun, Mail, Telegraph etc aren't popular newspapers who all take a Conservative editorial line. They're popular newspapers BECAUSE they take a Conservative editorial line. A line that is representative of how the majority of people think.

People buy the newspapers that write articles they empathize with, not the other way around. If most people agreed with Corbyn's view of the world then the Mirror would outsell the Sun.

Spidernick

Fella wrote: »

Haha, interesting you agree with the Telegraph now. I look forward to you accepting that what they write is the truth in future.

Again, hate to burst your bubble, but the Tories are the Government. It's amusing and a little tragic that you think it's other's (sic) who are in denial.

I cited the Telegraph as being more in tune with you (I'd imagine) and thought you'd dismiss it out of hand it if it was the Guardian. I think you'll find similar reports if you care to look for them. I have no truck with that particular article (or the paper in general, unlike some other right-wing papers which you can probably easily guess), but that no more means I agree with everything they write than I agree with everything in any party's manifesto, so that's rather an odd comment for you to make, if you don't mind my saying so.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, as life is too short. You seem to be one of those who thinks that May pulled a blinder in calling the election and is somehow in a stronger position than she was before she called it and Labour much weaker, despite the former having fewer seats and no majority (and therefore having to dump a raft of manifesto pledges) and the latter having gained seats and seemingly on the up. That defies all logic to my mind, but it's not worth trying to convince you any further. Let's just see how things play out and what legislation gets through and how long this government lasts.

As to the newspapers: you do know that a quarter of Mail readers voted Labour this time round, I presume? To make a direct correlation between every reader's political affiliations and the paper they read is not a good idea. Politics is of little interest to many of the population (alas).

Fella

Spidernick wrote: »

You seem to be one of those who thinks that May pulled a blinder in calling the election and is somehow in a stronger position than she was before she called it and Labour much weaker

Really? Be a good chap & point out any time I've said that or anything like it?

Feel free to retract when you can't.

Spidernick

Please take note of the 'seem to be' in my earlier post. If you're not that's great - so you agree that May is in a weaker position that she was in April? Your comments on this and other threads suggested otherwise (from memory, I really don't want to waste time reading your offerings again - but we can, you will agree, get a general feel for each other as posters), but I'm happy if my impression of you was wrong.

Thrugelmir

Spidernick wrote: »

If you're not that's great - so you agree that May is in a weaker position that she was in April?

Weakened yes. However the opposition is hardly a cohesive force. United under a banner that's all. Far from being collective agreement when it gets to the nitty gritty. Populist politics will soon lose it's shine. As the novelty wears off and the reality sets in.