the snap general election thread

Herzlos

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

We're only looking for ways to make out that the Conservatives and those perceived to be better off are all responsible for this whereas the blessed poor are entirely angelic, and their leader, King Jeremy is vomit-inducingly virtuous.

Can you find any evidence that the residents or Labour Government were in any way responsible for this?

Beyond the poor sod who had the flat that started the fire.

I mean, we can point to loads of management agency / Tory failures, but that doesn't make it a witchhunt.

sevenhills

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm surprised that high-rises without external exits don't have some kind of self releasing winch/harness set up on one of the windows.

Might not have done much good if the outside is on fire, but it's minimally invasive and should be able to get more people out.

A fire exit attached to the outer wall, may not fit with the look of some properties, I do recall seeing them in films tho.
May should have said she would sort this out, in the next 30 days.

Moby

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

We're only looking for ways to make out that the Conservatives and those perceived to be better off are all responsible for this whereas the blessed poor are entirely angelic, and their leader, King Jeremy is vomit-inducingly virtuous.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/02/13/2017-the-year-the-full-effects-of-austerity-are-felt. I suppose it does leave a sick feeling in the stomach when you realise that Jeremy has been right all along. The tory austerity agenda has cost lives, in the NHS, social care, housing etc. Corbyn has campaigned against them and said this all along. He hasn't just turned up and started riding on the coat tail of public rage. He hasn't been opportunist. That is just a lie and a smear. He has always said these things! He may not be articulate, his face doesn't fit in our class ridden hierarchy but he has been proven right! It is no suprise that most of his arch critics on here have melted away like snow in the spring sunshine!

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

this is nonsense, you cant just want something and it comes into being

The reason conditions improved post ww2 is because of productivity improvements. Conditions improved virtually everywhere from communist Russia to capitalist america and everything in between thanks to productivity increases one of the greatest of which was electricity and the electric motor enabling higher levels of production and automation

The argument is that over the long term a free market system sees more innovation and productivity improvements than a fixed economy. This seems to be true if you look at america today its where a lot of the innovation and technology is being developed if you look at France what is happening there?

If people want more goods and services people need to produce more goods and services. Its nothing to do with the poor saying they want more to the rich and the rich saying ok that is just childish

You fail to grasp what I was saying:- http://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-winston-churchill-and-the-conservative-party-lost-the-1945-election http://www.historytoday.com/paul-adelman/british-general-election-1945

Herzlos

sevenhills wrote: »

A fire exit attached to the outer wall, may not fit with the look of some properties, I do recall seeing them in films tho.

1. Who gives a stuff if the fire exit fits with the look of the properties? It's a fire exit, not a display piece.
2. Whos to say a fire exit can't fit with the look? I mean, it's just a stairwell; stick some outer walls/cladding on it and you won't even see it.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

It is no suprise that most of his arch critics on here have melted away like snow in the spring sunshine!

Yes - it's all Theresa May's fault that dodgy cladding and insulation were placed on that building.....

Haters gonna Hate.

Labour are a party of Haters.

And you are as big a hater as the rest of them....

...stirring up hate is dangerous. JC et al & momentum are dangerous.

I fear for my country right now.

The Haters are on the march.

andrewf75

I don't suppose you see the irony in your post?

Braveheart100

setmefree2 wrote: »

Yes - it's all Theresa May's fault that dodgy cladding and insulation were placed on that building.....

Haters gonna Hate.

Labour are a party of Haters.

And you are as big a hater as the rest of them....

...stirring up hate is dangerous. JC et al & momentum are dangerous.

I fear for my country right now.

The Haters are on the march.

Make hate while the sunshines.

It's what the left does.

Alt-Hate : united in hate and venom.

Rinoa

Britain says no EU exit deal unless future relationship taken into account.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-eu-brexit-idUSKBN1971PQ

hallmark

steampowered wrote: »

You can repeat this until you are blue in the face, but you still aren't going to convince any right-minded person that the Labour government was somehow responsible for a global recession that started in the US and affected every developed economy.

Nobody & certainly not me ever suggested they did.

I've said they played a part in it (they did) & that they were 100% responsible for the massive overspending during the boom years that led to the enormous deficit once the inevitable bust hit (which they were).