the snap general election thread

mufi

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If you are talking about the person I think you are, that person was an illegal immigrant who ran when he saw the police, including jumping barriers. And he was wearing a rucksack. What were the police supposed to think? Were they supposed to allow someone obviously worried when they saw the police to continue on when there was the risk he wanted to kill as many people as he could?

Check your facts - I don't think a single one is correct.

kabayiri

Joe_Horner wrote: »

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You don't get much more simplistic and populist than "we must live within our means as if our economy was a family budget" or "we must kill more of them until they stop. Its the only way".
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We have record credit card debt.

We have credit cards being used for day to day living.

Why should people worry about their own financial responsibility, if they see a government who clearly don't believe in financial discipline?

Ultimately, it won't be Corbyn or Abbott who pay the price for failure. It will be the poor s*ds who believe them.

masterwilde

kabayiri wrote: »

We have record credit card debt.

We have credit cards being used for day to day living.

Why should people worry about their own financial responsibility, if they see a government who clearly don't believe in financial discipline?

Ultimately, it won't be Corbyn or Abbott who pay the price for failure. It will be the poor s*ds who believe them.

i along with many many others use credit cards for each expense every day to gain points/cash back. i have financial responibility

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

We have record credit card debt.

..but we've had the Tories in government for 7 years?

kabayiri wrote: »

We have credit cards being used for day to day living.

..but we've had the Tories in government for 7 years?

kabayiri wrote: »

Why should people worry about their own financial responsibility, if they see a government who clearly don't believe in financial discipline?

The government since 2010 has borrowed more money than every labour government ever both in nominal and real terms.

kabayiri wrote: »

Ultimately, it won't be Corbyn or Abbott who pay the price for failure. It will be the poor s*ds who believe them.

You can add May, Hammond et al etc to that list.

I'm not knocking the 'we must live within our means' message but there's a disconnect between the talk and the walk.

PixelPound

kabayiri wrote: »

We have record credit card debt.

We have credit cards being used for day to day living.

Why should people worry about their own financial responsibility, if they see a government who clearly don't believe in financial discipline?

Ultimately, it won't be Corbyn or Abbott who pay the price for failure. It will be the poor s*ds who believe them.

The point is though, that the gov't have said we must live within our means to get the deficit down, yet it hasn't gone down because its a flawed concept.

A small business may decide that it could plan to pay off its business loans, by cutting staff salaries and training budgets, slashing adverting, etc. In several years they may be perplexed why they are having to borrow more, because their good staff left and they could only attract employees who often only stayed a short time, and their client base is dwindling as customers go elsewhere to other companies.

Conrad

masterwilde wrote: »

points of view....

robin hood was a terrorist in his day, guy fawkes also. we celebrate those today in different ways.

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist in his own country, yet the rest of the world viewed him as hero and a freedom fighter.

you CANNOT create a law where terrorists have no human rights. It may work in the current state, but in the past and no doubt, in the future it would be horrendous.

So Islamist terrorists are freedom fighters now are they?

Tell me, when Yazidi girls were being rounded up for mass exploitation of unimaginable savagery, what were these heroic freedom fighters doing to save them? Where are the Luton protests against this barbaric behaviour? They protest about cartoons.

These freedom fighters protested around the world when a cartoon was published. Yet when little girls are married off to thier old man rapist, or women have thier heads cut off in public in an ordinary high street, not a peep.

Sod thier rights I couldn't give a damn.

Islam is a political all encompassing way of life, not simply a religion.

The only absolute Monarchies on Earth are in the Islamic world, and utterly brutal.

The left has denied us the right to have an uncomfortable conversation about Islam itself. Maybe the time at last is comming when we stop being silenced and conned by the left.

masterwilde

im NOT saying they are freedom fighters at all. im simply saying that you cannot paint a brush like you have and remove all rights. innocence is guaranteed to be caught up in it.

how would you like one of your family being caught up in it? you would have no legal challenge at all and would have to accept what the state says (North Korea)

Yes these people/terrorists need dealing with, but, and its a bloody big but, you have to deal with it in a calm sensible manner and not set a precedent that will be severely damaging.

Personally, i see individuals that strike are simply nutters (sorry radicalized) and not terrorists, the manchester bomber was a terrorist.

simply saying kill them helps no one, taking away all their rights helps no one.

You cannot go to war with a religion/individual or group. you can only go to war with a state or a country!

Muslims against isis on facebook.

masterwilde

anyway, back to the snap election.......

Rinoa

wotsthat wrote: »

The government since 2010 has borrowed more money than every labour government ever both in nominal and real terms.

What alternative did they have with the £100Bn+ annual deficit Labour left them to sort out.

wotsthat

Rinoa wrote: »

What alternative did they have with the £100Bn+ annual deficit Labour left them to sort out.

One alternative was to do what they promised.