the snap general election thread

Seabee42

Not a very inspiring bunch on either side never mind the worst of them like Diane Abbott or Boris Johnston. As is typical with party politics neither side will offer everything you want. There are going to be people who want more money spent on public services and if that's the case and it is paid out of this generations tax receipts (i.e. those who want it pay for it) fair enough.


It does seem like people want more stuff and someone else to pay all the time.


I like the idea of free tuition at University but if we are being honest there is no national need for a lot of average people to go to university (Nevermind if your employed at a University obviously then everyone should go).


I think Theresa May tried to answer a difficult question on care costs and basically found that people do not want to pay for their own care. The system of I should pay but he gets it free is always going to be a hard sell.


I am not convinced any of the people I have seen will do a good job in brexit negotiations. It does seem that ultimately business will get what it wants (Like the Luxemburg tax agreements) so maybe some agreements will be made.

Conrad

I think I'm right in saying all elections in modern times were won by the party with most popular leader and all the polling favours May in this regard as far as I'm aware.


If Corbyn wins, people that voted for him will get an almighty day of reckoning when the transport strikes become monthly affairs, their taxes rise (you wont get enough from the rich), their mortgage payments go up, companies start off-shoring en-mass to Ireland (15% corp tax) meaning we collect less not more tax, and the immigration numbers rise dramatically meaning no amount of home building will keep pace. Bye bye green belt.


When the next recession comes along, Labours national debt will be eye watering and put us all at huge risk.

Huge number of migrants will be able to frame themselves as refugees, for example claiming they could not express their gender fluidity back home. Soft touch Britain under Labour will welcome the world in. This will lead to far more divided society as resources strain to the limit.

Patrick_Stewart

setmefree2 wrote: »

Let's not forget what the Coalition inherited.

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm no fan of Torys but the all people who keep bringing up the growth of national debt under the Torys achieve is to highlight there own lack of knowledge.

Heres the article in full:


http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/

Spidernick

Patrick_Stewart wrote: »

Heres the article in full:


http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/

Thanks for the link. If you look at the historic debt you will see that, even now, the debt as a percentage of GDP is still lower than average over the past 100 years. Despite this, there are still idiots on here (sorry, that's all I can call them) that spout on about the Labour Party leaving the country 'bankrupt' in 2010 - you really couldn't make it up!

Conrad

Spidernick wrote: »

Despite this, there are still idiots on here (sorry, that's all I can call them) that spout on about the Labour Party leaving the country 'bankrupt' in 2010 - you really couldn't make it up!

Why did cautious Canada and Australia weather the global banking crisis?


The idiots are those thinking free money has no cost, it's utterly infantile and selfish. Me, me, me, spend, spend, spend, ballooning wasteful interest, sod tomorrows generation.



America lost a lot of business to Ireland due to corporation tax divergence, it will be very easy indeed for masses of UK firms to HQ in Ireland when Corbyns taxes and regulations become reality.

kabayiri

Spidernick wrote: »

Thanks for the link. If you look at the historic debt you will see that, even now, the debt as a percentage of GDP is still lower than average over the past 100 years. Despite this, there are still idiots on here (sorry, that's all I can call them) that spout on about the Labour Party leaving the country 'bankrupt' in 2010 - you really couldn't make it up!

What if our GDP contracts as a result of any one of : a recession / Brexit going bad / increased competition from overseas ?

My field has always been automation, in one form or another. My colleagues always had the mantra that increasing productivity was the real win; becoming more efficient meant outperforming the competition.

Have we given up on that now? Is it more important that 7 poorly paid blokes wash my car for a fiver? What happens when in a recession I wash my car myself?

I agree that it is unwise to be over simplistic, but that sounds the opposite of what politicians serve up.

cogito

Spidernick wrote: »

Thanks for the link. If you look at the historic debt you will see that, even now, the debt as a percentage of GDP is still lower than average over the past 100 years. Despite this, there are still idiots on here (sorry, that's all I can call them) that spout on about the Labour Party leaving the country 'bankrupt' in 2010 - you really couldn't make it up!

Because we had to pay for a couple of wars perhaps that we didn't start.

IveSeenTheLight

setmefree2 wrote: »

A Tory lead of 12%

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/guardianicm-poll-tories-12-point-lead-offers-labour-crumbs-of-hope

Different perception from this link today
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39856354[/url]

YouGov seat estimates, 31 May
Conservative: 310 (330 at dissolution of 2015-17 parliament)
Labour: 257 (229)
SNP: 50 (54)
Northern Ireland Parties: 18
Lib Dem: 10 (9)
Plaid Cymru: 3 (3)
Green: 1 (1)
Other: 1 (1)
UKIP: 0 (1)
CON 16 seats short of majority

It'll be interesting to see what TM does if these are the outcomes.

Spidernick

Whilst there are some interesting replies to my 'bankrupt' comment above, you all seem to have missed the point (if it's my fault, I apologise, but don't think it is). Many people on here have said that Labour made the country 'bankrupt' in 2010 and I was merely pointing out that these people obviously have no idea what 'bankrupt' actually means, so shouldn't use that term. The wider economic issues are, of course, open to debate.

Filo25

Corbyn has now confirmed he will attend tonight's debate, which seems very sensible for him given the way the election is going, the question now will be whether May flip-flops on this and decides to attend.