the snap general election thread

Out,_Vile_Jelly

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Absolutely agreed.
I'm just hoping that the remaining week of campaigning doesn't descend into a Brexit-style mudslinging match. Personally I've had quite enough of the truly awful negative style of campaigning.
What chance some positivity in stances for this last week?

I'm personally sick to death of every proposed change to costing being labelled a Whatever Tax. It's extremely tedious.

And all this cosy chit-chat "what's your favourite crisp flavour!" sofa b0ll0cks. I don't care what Theresa May does in her spare time. I'm more interested in how competently she will approach the core political issues of the day.

The hysterical tone to the right wing press coverage of Corbyn is also getting boring.

It might be for our own good if the robots take over and start running things.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

What chance some positivity in stances for this last week?

The core of the Tories campaign so far has been personal digs at how bad Labour will do, and as their lead dwindles they are getting more desperate, so I fully expect the last few days are going to be horrendous.

kabayiri

Spidernick wrote: »

If there is no significant change in the number of seats for each party from 2015 to 2017 (as seems possible) then that would be a knife to the heart of the idea of Tory economic prudence, as the 2017 election would have been one stonking great waste of money!
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Maybe we focus on pure polling numbers too much?

I take a more literal approach.

There are 4 million UKIP votes, concentrated in specific working class areas, sitting there like low hanging fruit waiting to be plucked.

If you are cold and calculating, you work out how to sell your political product to these people, and grab their votes.

My view is that at the lowest income tiers, people can swing more easily between Tory and Labour.

So my question is ... is the Corbyn plan working to entice these lost voters? Which of his core team appeal to these disenfranchised voters?

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

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What chance some positivity in stances for this last week?

We should consider the possibility that none of the main parties has any real idea how to address the big challenges facing us.

Maybe they know this, and would rather argue with each other, as to what type of fiddle should be deployed whilst Rome burns.

setmefree2

Fella wrote: »

You're the main hate filled person on here. .

Is Arklight aka as Toxic Toastie?

setmefree2

GreatApe wrote: »

If the Tories dont win an overall majority is it conceivable that all the rest will combine together to stop Brexit or put it to another vote? Surely the LD would insist upon it and the SNP on both a no brexit and a inderef 2.

Yes. Or a fudge like a Norway - plus staying in the customs union (Norway aren't in the CU).

imho.

setmefree2

masterwilde wrote: »

yes Labour will spend alot of money, however they will IMPROVE life within the UK. the facts above can be checked on a multitude of sites i can list a load more of these. If you really want a UK torn under impoverished life then by all means vote conservative.

The LP will spend a lot of money we don't have - and it will feel great for a short while - that's what borrowing money does - but then will come the debt hangover.

There is no such thing as a free lunch - there aren't enough of "the 5%" to pay for the LP spending plans - in the end all taxes will go up.

But, hey ho if that's what voters want I can live with that - maybe I won't have to up my spending on private health insurance and private school fees for my (yet to be born) grandkids.

I have to say though - "the voter" seems to be all over the shop....

setmefree2

masterwilde wrote: »

lets not forget also that firefighters have been cut by 6,700, prison service has been cut to near collapse.

Ofcourse the conservatives are also making the poor poorer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poor-uk-households-incomes-tory-benefits-cuts-dwp-conservatives-ifs-fiscal-studies-research-brexit-a7705556.html

The facts are simple, they do not care about the people, they care about business.

Let's not forget what the Coalition inherited.

setmefree2

setmefree2 wrote: »

An ICM poll for the Guardian newspaper will be published later on Tuesday.....

A Tory lead of 12%

Guardian/ICM poll: Tories' 12-point lead offers Labour crumbs of hope

Latest figures show the Conservatives with a healthy lead, but data on young and working-class voters should give Jeremy Corbyn reasons to be cheerful

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/guardianicm-poll-tories-12-point-lead-offers-labour-crumbs-of-hope

But it is nothing like the extent of seen in some other recent polls – and it still implies a Tory majority of 96 on Electoral Calculus prediction model and the loss of 34 seats for Labour.

setmefree2

But turnout next Thursday will determine the scale of the general election result. A Survation poll for ITV’s Good Morning Britain, published on Monday, caused a stir by showing the Tory lead falling to just six points and reporting that 82% of the heavily Labour-backing 18- to 24-year-olds are certain to vote. It is suggested that the sudden surge in young voters motivated by Corbyn’s popular policies, such abolition of student fees, lies behind this narrowing in the polls.

But the ICM poll does not support that finding, suggesting their likely turnout figure is closer to 50%.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/guardianicm-poll-tories-12-point-lead-offers-labour-crumbs-of-hope