So i just opened the door to my new house.

Harryp_24

Ok! a little update as im sure youll understand i have been very busy! This will be long very sorry if its boring.

a lot of responses so i just chose some to answer to get the grand scheme of things.

1)

Penitent wrote: »

I just realised this is the same person:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5630042

[A] The EA told you before exchange that this was going to happen, so I'm not sure why you were surprised to find her still packing her stuff.

Penitent wrote: »

I understand that. My point was that he seemed surprised to find her there in his post to this thread, yet he was told a week ago that she wasn't able to get all her stuff out on time and he said this didn't bother him.

He did indeed (before we had exchanged which is why i wrote that thread asking advice, i was going to tell my solicitor after i got clarification from the estate agent exactly what he meant.) When i rang back the next day he told me she had managed to book moving men and i didnt need to help and it would all be sorted :T

Also, the estate agent told me a few boxes, Not 3/4 of the house which was what it was like when i first got there. Like i said, i wouldnt of minded a box or two in a room somewhere.

2).

Cheeky_Monkey wrote: »

She probably read the meters and gave the readings to her suppliers on Thursday (completion day) meaning that the OP will be paying for all the gas and electric she's using between then and tomorrow :beer:

[A] She did indeed do this however when i told the gas and leccy company the readings i took they said they would start me from that time and bill her any difference.

3).

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Indeed not a "get out of jail" card - but I admit to being puzzled throughout this thread that OP has clearly been told she is autistic by someone. I am wondering who that "someone" was - ie whether it was the woman herself?

One doesnt have to have any empathy or anything to "abide by the rules" - just get told what the rules are and that the law says "You must/must not do so-and-so". Followed by explaining the penalty if the rules are broken.

I do wonder if she would have done this to Davesnaves hypothetical family with dogs and screaming babies and a removal van of furniture outside at move-in time or just thought she could get away with it because it's a young single person.

[A] one of my friends who is mental health carer used to care for her (he asked about my house and i said it has the horrendous bright red walls, He knew straight away), also i was told by the estate agent,not to mention you can tell usually. From speaking to her before she told e that a major problem she has is things not in order, funny isnt it, but when things started falling apart (thinking she had til friday, moving men not turning up, rather then thinking about how to go about it, she she went into a downward spiral. I also agree, if it was a family moving from a long distance or in a chain they would have no option to say get out.

4.

Cheeky_Monkey wrote: »

I imagine that the OP won't be back to update as he/she has probably realised by now that they have been royally mugged off :rotfl:

[A] You're in this thread more then me! but no, i am here, not really mugged off, just unfortunate, on both sides id like to add.

5.

Cakeguts wrote: »

This doesn't apply in this case because of the phone call to the estate agents the week before about leaving a few boxes. That phone call proves that this person knew that she had to be out on that Thursday. The fact that she wasn't was because she wanted to move out over the weekend. The call to the estate agents about the boxes was to find out whether there would be a major objection from the buyer if she did this. When it became clear that there wasn't going to be a fuss over a few boxes she realised that she could go ahead with the plan that suited her which was to do the entire move over the weekend after she had completed on her new home.

I expect that how the OP found out about the autism is that she told him. It is probably an excuse that she uses to get her own way when she knows that she is about to take advantage of someone. I think the answer is that if anyone is asked by a vendor if they can leave something at the house after completion is to say no not in any circumstances or they may find themselves dealing with another extremely selfish manipulator like this lady. The other thing is that everyone must change the locks as soon as completion has taken place.

[A] as previously mentioned i found out about the autism before from a friend and then was also told by the estate agent. Also Autism is not a set thing, people have it in different severities. I grasp that you dont understand how bad some mental illnesses can be, but it wasn't an excuse in any case. Her path to logical thinking can be very different from normal peoples. In a sense that what you may think is wrong/right she might not. Im not great at explaining myself but put it this way. She didn't do it just to be a !!!! and get one over on me.

6.

Cakeguts wrote: »

What I want to know is who is going to move the bed 3 doors down to the new house on Saturday? Unless it breaks down into small pieces how is it going to get from the OP's house to the "vulnerable" ladies new house? Not only that but how did the larger pieces of furniture for example a 3 piece suite or a dining table get from the OP's house to the house 3 doors down?

[A] I dont fully blame her for this it was a tricky time. We kept being told exchange dates etc for the last two weeks, With the completion date always being the 13th (dumb in hindsight). Anyway, it kept getting held up by one document or the other but we kept our comp date the same and eventually exchanged on the day before. I told my solicitor i didn't care about the dates as i had no rush, this was her date that she set. So she was the one that chose the date but obviously with the exchange dates changing constantly you get used to it not happening and tend not to start doing things until its set in stone( which happened to be the day before). Another moving company was eventually booked and they worked late to get more of the stuff out of the house while i was gone. The next day (Friday) i went into the house and they had moved the majority of the house stuff out and were moving the stuff from the conservatory,attic and garden out, Then on Saturday a guy came to take the beds (which were built into the walls) out. So i was able to clean around a bit downstairs but i needed to refit the bedrooms which was the only place i couldn't really get a lot done until yesterday afternoon.

7.

glasgowdan wrote: »

What's the latest Harry, is she and her sh*te out of your home yet?

[A] Hey! i am in and have all the keys now, All of her stuff has been taken out and i have basically after looking over everything decided to just rip up/out everything and do the house how i want. I have had my mother,father,brother,brothers gf,friends all help and its insane how quickly it turns around. The wallpaper in one of the bedrooms was a !!!!ign nightmare, it was plasterboard->skimmed over->wallpapered->Painted->wallpapered again-> painted a final time...... It !!!!ing sucked, after using the steamer it was like a glob of glue and we had to take everything back to plasterboard. There was some stuff that really did !!!! me off which was in the conservatory that she finished cleaning out on Saturday she said i could keep her chest freezer as she had a built in one. She told me she had cleared all her food out of it, Anyway again she had dumped a load of stuff, in cardboard boxes, in the greenhouse for throwing out that she was going to get a guy to take to the tip on Tuesday.... I know never ending. When i went in there for the first time it stank and there was a puddle on the floor around the cardboard boxes. Well i can guess you can work out where all the food from the freezer had been put :mad:



To evaluate on everything, its my first house, wont be my last, it has all been a good learning experience and i am enjoying spending time with family and friends working to make it mine. Bristol is an extremely expensive place to live but i finally have a place to call my own. Everything that has gone wrong with this( which in hindsight isn't overly a lot) and all your questions,answers,advice will put me in a great place for when i move again. Cheers all.

Lazarus_Blackstar

Harryp_24 wrote: »

She has already completed on another property that is vacant but didnt pack in time as she was told friday not thursday.

What I never seem to understand is why on earth do people insist on leaving all their packing right until the last minute?
Surely it's common sense to pack in plenty of time. When we were buying & things were set in stone, I started boxing things up etc weeks before we were due to complete.
Yes things can & do go wrong as it can all fall through at such a late stage. But people should be ready and waiting to vacate on completion day, even if they do have any kind of special needs. Otherwise it has a knock-on effect for others too.

Good to hear you now have YOUR property. It's just unfortunate you were left with some grotty surprises to deal with when you finally got in.

Sounds like you deserve a few :beer: after all this! Enjoy making it your own. You will look back in later years and laugh at all the fuss! :D

The_Real_Cheddar_Bob

change locks. skip stuff. enough said.

Cakeguts

Mental illness doesn't cause people to think that the moving day is Friday and not Thursday. It also doesn't cause people to ring up estate agents to plan to leave boxes in houses that you are supposed to have moved out of. The point is if someone is so mentally ill that they can't get the right day they also won't get any of the house selling business. I bet she knew which day she had completed on the house that she bought.

People need to stop making excuses for this woman. There is nothing about mental illness that makes people not be punctual. That is just pure bad manners. Yes I do understand what serious mental illness can make someone do or not do which is how I know that the lady has manipulated the situation to suit herself.

Someone has suggested that she might take parcels in for the OP. I would suggest that this is avoided. The chances are that the lady will accidentally on purpose misread the address and recipient of the parcel and open it. They might then also conveniently lose the contents. The excuse again will be that she has a mental illness/ autism.

marliepanda

AND she told her utilities she was leaving Thursday despite having no intention to?!

Yeah this isn't an autism issue. This is someone being a pain in the read issue!

Cakeguts

I can understand OP that you don't want to think that you have been manipulated by this lady. However she managed to read the meter on the day that you completed and it appears that she managed to move some things out (into her new home on that day I assume ) so it is quite obvious that she didn't get the days wrong. It is also quite clear that even before you had exchanged she planned not to move everything out of the house on completion day that is why she asked the estate agent about leaving boxes in the house. It is also clear from the fact that she chose the completion day that she intended to move over the Easter weekend. None of this thinking can be explained by a mental illness and for autism it is too inconsistent. If she really was as confused as she wanted everyone to think she was there was no need to check with the estate agent about leaving boxes in the house after completion.

I hope you have changed the locks on both the front and back doors so that she can't get in. Also do not let her take any plants from the garden that she has "forgotten". She is excellent at manipulating people if you let her take anything out of the garden she could keep coming back and remember she uses the confused card if confronted.

Cakeguts

marliepanda wrote: »

AND she told her utilities she was leaving Thursday despite having no intention to?!

Yeah this isn't an autism issue. This is someone being a pain in the read issue!

I totally agree with this. It isn't autism or mental illness. For autism it is too inconsistent. She manages to get right the bits that suit her like reading the meters. She also insisted on the completion day. It was her choice. The exchange was late because she wanted that completion day. If you do that you do not forget which day it is. She also planned well in advance not to move everything out on completion day. I bet there was no problem with her remembering which day she completed on the bungalow. When she rang the estate agents about leaving a few boxes in the house she knew that she had to be out on that Thursday. I still think that she planned the whole thing so that she could move during Easter probably because she thought she could get more people to help her because they would be on holiday.

happyandcontented

The OP has returned to the thread and explained the issues have been resolved. He also addressed the autism issue. One of the main things that upsets or unsettles someone on the spectrum is a change of routine, often they cannot cope with that kind of thing, and having dates for completion constantly moved about will have caused anxiety for this woman. The OP tells us she was affected enough by the condition to have a carer.....and that it was an obvious condition so perhaps it is time to accept she may not have acted in a manipulative manner, the OP certainly has.

moneyistooshorttomention

That is not fair to OP.

Whatever else has or hasnt happened - there is no way OP has acted in a manipulative manner. OP has just expected to move into their own home on Completion Day (ie the same as we all know is what happens). How is that manipulative by any stretch of the imagination?

This problem situation is nothing to do with OP. One way or another (whether as a byproduct of illness or deliberately) it has been caused entirely by the vendor.

I admit to finding it odd that the vendor was able to do things that suited her personally - like deciding on a Completion Day just before Easter/like telling the EA that a "few boxes" would remain and not giving her definition of what "few boxes" would mean (ie very different to anyone else's one) and reading the meters on Completion Day rather than when she actually moved out. No mistakes that suit buyer - but plenty that suited her.

Anyway - you are in now OP - and wishing you good luck and happiness in your home (PS - the next time someone says "few boxes" - you'll know to ask whether that means "2-4 boxes" as one would assume....).

Davesnave

happyandcontented wrote: »

.... so perhaps it is time to accept she may not have acted in a manipulative manner, the OP certainly has.

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

That is not fair to OP.

Whatever else has or hasnt happened - there is no way OP has acted in a manipulative manner.

It's easy to see how misunderstandings arise in human communication!

However, I think we can all agree on wishing the OP every happiness in their new home. :A