Electric cars

buglawton

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

If the low mileage is mainly due to short or mainly urban journeys I would have thought that a hybrid would be ideal because of the energy recovery alone! ...

HTH
Z

Nope, a nice 25 mile run each way at 50mpg after correcting for speed over-read.
Of course the energy recovery tech is lovely and appeals to the engineer in me. Regrettably the total cost of ownership fails to impress the accountant in me.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Nope, a nice 25 mile run each way at 50mpg after correcting for speed over-read.
Of course the energy recovery tech is lovely and appeals to the engineer in me. Regrettably the total cost of ownership fails to impress the accountant in me.

If you had a 24kwh Leaf you could get to work and back twice on a charge, never need to visit a petrol station again and potentially reduce your fuel bill by over 75%. You'd pay less tax, less maintenance and have much better performance.

I'm not sure there's any good reason for someone with your commute to buy a £10k petrol car over a £10k EV, unless you don't like the car itself. The only reason I don't have one yet is that the ones big enough to haul my kids and their crap around are still out of my budget.

Martyn1981

buglawton wrote: »

Nope, a nice 25 mile run each way at 50mpg after correcting for speed over-read.
Of course the energy recovery tech is lovely and appeals to the engineer in me. Regrettably the total cost of ownership fails to impress the accountant in me.

Sounds like a secondhand 20-30 mile PHEV would be excellent, and if you could charge for the return journey, then excellent squared. Not sure if £10k is possible though, yet?

Jonesya

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Sounds like a secondhand 20-30 mile PHEV would be excellent, and if you could charge for the return journey, then excellent squared. Not sure if £10k is possible though, yet?

A used Prius Prime or Hyundai Ionic is currently still £20k+, the BMW 330e is cheaper but the electric range seems questionable. But also the number available on the used market is so low, perhaps a few hundred in the whole of the UK, tens for some models.

Unfortunately at the moment there's just too much of a premium being charged for PHEVs, hopefully the competition from EVs with steadily increasing range will force down PHEV prices to something more competitive.

ElefantEd

You can buy a second hand Leaf for under £10k, pay no road tax and very little for fuel - £2 a day maybe (even if you charge at home rather than at free public chargers). For a 50 mile total journey I genuinely don't understand why anyone would get anything other than a BEV!

RichardD1970

Jonesya wrote: »

A used Prius Prime or Hyundai Ionic is currently still £20k+, the BMW 330e is cheaper but the electric range seems questionable. But also the number available on the used market is so low, perhaps a few hundred in the whole of the UK, tens for some models.

Unfortunately at the moment there's just too much of a premium being charged for PHEVs, hopefully the competition from EVs with steadily increasing range will force down PHEV prices to something more competitive.

2017 (17 reg) Hyundai Ionic Premium SE (top spec) £15,000.

Ionic

Have been looking at these a lot lately but can't justify changing my current car at the moment.

AdrianC

RichardD1970 wrote: »

2017 (17 reg) Hyundai Ionic Premium SE (top spec) £15,000.

Ionic

Have been looking at these a lot lately but can't justify changing my current car at the moment.

But that one's not a plug-in hybrid, it's only "self-charging", as the vast majority of Ioniqs on UK roads are...

There are three Ioniqs - "self-charging" hybrid (£25k new in Premium SE spec, 11.5k registered across all specs, 1.5kWh battery, 30kW electric motor), plug-in hybrid (£31k, 1.3k registered, 9kWh battery, 45kW motor) and BEV (£33k, 700 registered, 28kWh battery, 88kW motor) .

RichardD1970

AdrianC wrote: »

But that one's not a plug-in hybrid, it's only "self-charging", as the vast majority of Ioniqs on UK roads are...

There are three Ioniqs - "self-charging" hybrid (£25k new in Premium SE spec, 11.5k registered across all specs, 1.5kWh battery, 30kW electric motor), plug-in hybrid (£31k, 1.3k registered, 9kWh battery, 45kW motor) and BEV (£33k, 700 registered, 28kWh battery, 88kW motor) .

I know. The post I quotes mentioned Ionic's at £20k+, that was what I was replying to. I didn't realise that the discussion was only looking at PHEV as, as you point out, PHEV Ionics are quite rare.

How about this one? Same age, same spec (nicer colour), a lot less miles, £18,290.

Martyn1981

RichardD1970 wrote: »

I know. The post I quotes mentioned Ionic's at £20k+, that was what I was replying to. I didn't realise that the discussion was only looking at PHEV as, as you point out, PHEV Ionics are quite rare.

How about this one? Same age, same spec (nicer colour), a lot less miles, £18,290.

I think you're golden here.

Z suggested hybrid (non specific), I mentioned PHEV, Herzlos went BEV, and Buglawton suggested (as I read it) £10k budget for a 3yr old ICE.

So taking age and fuel savings into account, I think your two suggestions tick all boxes ....... even I can't disagree with you.


So many suggestions, and now actual 'real' cars, I wonder if this will sway Buglawton at all? :think:

Martyn1981

Bit of BEV news.

1. The Chinese don't mess around:

Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory On Track To Produce Cars As Early As September

2. I may have to eat humble pie regarding my criticism of Ford and their lack of BEV progress, if (big if) a certain theory going round proves to be true. Basically Ford just announced a large investment in Rivian, as we all know, but some youtube channels are reminding folk of the test F-150 spotted with independent suspension a while back (suspension that looks like Rivian's), and Rivian's explanation for disguising their test mules as F-150's because of the 'lucky' coincidence that the body shell was a perfect fit.

Put all the bits together and there's a chance that Ford and Rivian have been working together for a while now. Cool!