Electric cars

almillar

On 8th March this year Nissan hailed the Leaf build passing 400k in a little over 8 years

Yes - this is what I was referring to - the article is back in this thread somewhere - Nissan had sold more, Tesla were catching fast. They may now have overtaken. I'm not calling them insignificant, disruptive or anything, but they're not on their own selling 'lots of EVs'

zeupater

almillar wrote: »

Yes - this is what I was referring to - the article is back in this thread somewhere - Nissan had sold more, Tesla were catching fast. They may now have overtaken. I'm not calling them insignificant, disruptive or anything, but they're not on their own selling 'lots of EVs'

Hi

That's only true on a model basis, not by marque ... as mentioned, apart from the Leaf, Nissan hasn't had an EV in large scale production, with all other attempts adding ~1% to total Leaf production, yet months before the Nissan Leaf cumulative build hit 400k units, Tesla cumulative build had already topped 500k units and even after Nissan almost doubled EV build rates in 2018, for every Leaf leaving the production line, around 3x more Model 3s are leaving their plant & Tesla are currently laying down significantly more production capacity ...

Unless things change rapidly on the competition front, by this time next year more than 1:2 BEVs manufactured globally could have a Tesla badge on the front ... if you're sitting behind a desk in Frankfurt, Tokyo or Detroit that's a really scary statistic to be planning to include in your next shareholder annual report ... ;)

HTH
Z

Martyn1981

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

Unless things change rapidly on the competition front, by this time next year more than 1:2 BEVs manufactured globally could have a Tesla badge on the front ... if you're sitting behind a desk in Frankfurt, Tokyo or Detroit that's a really scary statistic to be planning to include in your next shareholder annual report ... ;)

HTH
Z

That's the bit I find so promising. Whether it's down to deliberate avoidance of BEV's, or the fear of losing money on each built, or the endless production of concept cars, or misleading marketing pretending a HEV is an electric car that doesn't need to be plugged in, the result is simply too slow a change.

So why promising, because Tesla has forced the market (and a shout out to the Chinese boys and girls).

It's sad that any mention of Tesla, or compliments about Tesla (recognising a good thing) cause such negative posts by a few people on here, but if you like cars, and the environment, then recognising that we are where we are today because of Tesla is simply a fact, not Fanboism, simply honesty.

But, as I've said, and caused upset recently, Tesla can't do it alone, so the others need to ramp up production and get profitable, or the transition will be very slow, only as fast as Tesla can expand.* I wonder if Nissan or Renault are now at, or close to profitability on BEV's, that would be great news. And I assume VW will do it profitably if they get into the scales of production they are talking about/up.

*And that will be slower than possible as they have to avoid external capital injection and quarterly 'losses' as too many fools can't equate investment with expansion.

welshdent

NBLondon wrote: »

Electrically assisted petrol vehicle would be more accurate on the basis that it can't run without some petrol . But not so exciting to the marketing guys. Whereas a BMW i3 REx is a petrol assisted electric vehicle.

Its really annoying that the Rex is classed as a standard hybrid. I know technically it is a "hybrid". But my trusty i3 Rex is taxed at 130 a year whereas many a diesel pays nothing. I have had my rex nearly a year and have used a grand total of £6 worth of petrol. Had I not wanted avoid the severn bridge toll then I wouldnt have even had to pay that. All it does is keep the battery charged. Emissions are minimal when it is used and it rarely has to be used but it is taxed as a standard hybrid that actually needs the engine. It would take me over 20 years to use as much fuel as my annual tax bill for the car.

AdrianC

welshdent wrote: »

But my trusty i3 Rex is taxed at 130 a year whereas many a diesel pays nothing.

Not if it's the same age of diesel - don't forget the VED rejig at the start of April 2018 affected everything first registered after that.

welshdent

True! Still a pain it's classed as a typical hybrid though. It's a glorified mobile generator with no motoring capabilities. It's not essential for use of the car just a back up. It's a fantastic car otherwise and great for showing up boy racers at traffic lights!

Martyn1981

Nice. Very nice.

CityFreighter Unveils Its Electric CF1 Prototype Class 4 Truck At ACT Expo | #CleanTechnica Exclusive

All-Electric Foundation, Integrated Design

Select highlights of the CF1 are:

- A very low-floor cargo area platform of just 43 cm (17 inches)
- Compact dimensions of 21 x 9 x 7 feet & a GVWR of 5 tons
- Entirely keyless operation
- 100 mile driving range
- A modular cargobox
- Industry-competitive TCO

The payload capacity will be 2.4 tons and with a minimum of 710 cubic feet, all based on a 17-inch low-floor design. To achieve that, the rear axle is equipped with an electric air suspension. This avoids the need for an electric lift system, reduces loading and unloading times. and significantly lessens driver strain.

AdrianC

US "Class 4" is what we call 7.5t.

There's at least two suppliers on the UK market already, both working off Isuzu chassis-cabs.
https://www.paneltex.co.uk/service/electric-vehicles/
https://tevva.com/tevva-e-trucks/

If you're after a large van, rather than a small truck, there's the Iveco Daily electric, going up to 5t, while Renault's Master ZE only offers 3.1t - even though the diesel versions of both go up to 7.5t on the same chassis sizes - so if it's the volume, rather than the payload (a diesel 7.5t like the Isuzu would have 4t+ payload, not 2.5t), there's another option. From the other direction, DAF's diesel LF range starts at 7.5t, but the electric is 19t.

Martyn1981

What happens when the 'Tesla killers' fall short - well, Tesla ups its game with a 10% range improvement, and the standardisation of motors across the TM3, S X and semi.

Yes I'm praising Tesla, but it's hard not too. I sincerely hope I can do the same for the legacy boys and girls soon, the more the merrier, the sooner the better.

New Tesla Model S — 370 Miles Of Range (EPA), Goes From Bay Area To LA On One Charge! (+ “Tesla Killer” Comparisons)

Martyn1981

Good news for Rivian, but potentially brilliant news for transport (and the environment) if Ford's investment has an impact on F Series and SUV vehicles, and isn't just greenwashing.

Ford Drops $500 Million Into Rivian In Bid To Electrify Its F-Series Trucks