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And there you go again, assuming from what you think my position is, rather than actually bothering to read what I've repeatedly written.We all appreciate that you don't like the idea of EVs for some reason or other
I have no problem at all with the idea of EVs.
What I do have a problem with is ignoring the realities, in order to over-hype that idea.0 -
The amazing power delivery of the EVs is why I ditched my old 380bhp twinturbo inline 6 BMW for a Nissan Leaf. For providing forward motion the electric motor has the combustion engine beaten in every way
Oh now hold on, I must take exception. Your Leaf has better throttle response, and more accessible torque, but your beemer will be faster, handle better, be more luxurious, sound better (OK, that's subjective) etc. On most measurements, a Leaf does not better a 380bhp car!0 -
Oh now hold on, I must take exception. Your Leaf has better throttle response, and more accessible torque, but your beemer will be faster, handle better, be more luxurious, sound better (OK, that's subjective) etc. On most measurements, a Leaf does not better a 380bhp car!
The Leaf is likely faster accelerating up to about 40-50mph than the bmw, and can be fairly luxurious if specified right.
The bmw will sound better though.0 -
HiAnd there you go again, assuming from what you think my position is, rather than actually bothering to read what I've repeatedly written.
I have no problem at all with the idea of EVs.
What I do have a problem with is ignoring the realities, in order to over-hype that idea.
No assumption needs to be made, the evidence is compelling ... of course, the argument made is similar to saying 'of course I accept that Brexit is happening because that's the democratic decision of the people', whilst working as hard as possible to reverse the situation ... politicians do it all the time, so do their 'spin-doctors', so why wouldn't anyone expect as much in a discussion on EVs? ... and yes, it was noted that the 'idea of EVs' isn't the same as 'EVs'!
What you would classify as 'realities' aren't being ignored, they're being overcome, but at every possible opportunity there's a tendency to run down the rate of uptake & change, towing is just another example in a long list ... every time there's a positive input, the standard retort is negative with no regard to the direction of travel ... large increases in sales percentages reported get bashed with negativity on market penetration etc ... you're doing it all the time ... there's evidence, it's there for all to see, as is the number of times that diversionary tactics are used ... how many times does it take owners of EVs telling you and a handful of others facts before it's realised that they may actually be talking 'reality' as opposed to 'overhype', because they're really doing what they say, day, after day, after day - whilst others simply preach a totally blinkered & outdated anti-EV fantasy ... If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem, an old saying but it's true - why not let others spend their own money on a product that they seem to be genuinely happy with without telling them that what they currently do, or what they plan to do, is impractical or impossible ..... you have a view which may suit your current mindset, that's all it is! ...
HTH
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
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Electric-powered Mini cars are to be built in China, as well as in Oxford where most Minis are currently made.
BMW, the owner of the Mini brand, said it had agreed an outline deal with Chinese manufacturer Great Wall Motor.
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HiYes, they are.
Slowly. Much more slowly than many claim, with frequent denials of basic laws of physics and other simple facts commonly used to hand-wave away those realities.
Physics ? .... I like physics, because it's based on proof ... so prove, using only 'the basic laws of physics', that EVs are impossible, or that the supporting infrastructure is impossible ... maybe when you've done that (and only when it's been accepted!) we could discuss engineering, mining, manufacturing, the laws of supply & demand, and even (if necessary) the legal position related to climate agreements and the viewpoint of strategists that oil is to soon reach peak-demand, although economic activities continue to grow!
So to the physics ... We're waiting, but don't get anything wrong, no assumptions or speculation, just proof ! .... :cool:
HTH
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle0 -
Oh now hold on, I must take exception. Your Leaf has better throttle response, and more accessible torque, but your beemer will be faster, handle better, be more luxurious, sound better (OK, that's subjective) etc. On most measurements, a Leaf does not better a 380bhp car!
Ofcourse the Leaf was no where near as fast as the BMW. I never said it was, but its about context and realising the gulf change in performance/driving experience on offer.
The closest petrol car to the Leaf is probably a Note/Juke. Anyone who has had the mispleasure of driving any of those cars will tell you just how much fun they are. Yet the Leaf was actually 'fun' to drive, not because Nissan designed it too, but because its got an electric motor powering it.
For me it was like when the first iPhone came out, at the time I had a Treo 650, iPod, and GameBoy colour. Despite the first iPhone having no App store, 3G, and very limited storage the proof of concept was enough to make me realise the Treo was destined for the bin sooner rather than later (actually I still have it in a draw some where
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The Leaf was a car designed purely for the purpose of going from A to B as cheaply as possible, yet when I first drove it I couldn't believe how much more responsive it was to my right foot than the BMW, which was/is about as good as it gets for a 'performance' combustion car.
I don't love EVs because they are cheap to run, or good for environment, I love them because they simply drive better. For me the powertrain of any car is the most important everything else is just window dressing.
If you want to see just how utter ruthless a 'performance' EV will be, just test drive ANY Tesla. Even though our base spec X is probably faster point to point on a twisty B road than my old BMW, I don't consider it a performance car. It's a near 3 ton 6/7 seater people mover that happens to go like a rally stage special because of its AWD EV drivetrain.
The proper 'performance' EVs are still not here yet, the AWD version of the Model 3 might give us a taste of what a good EV drivetrain can do in a car that doesn't weight over 2 tons. But the next generation Tesla Roadster, and Porsche Mission E are the real show stoppers, and both aren't that far away. I really cannot wait. 0 -
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Absolutely not, there is no misrepresentation - If you keep going around making claims like ....It's almost as if you're misrepresenting me deliberately. Why?
... then expect them to be challenged!..frequent denials of basic laws of physics and other simple facts commonly used to hand-wave away those realities.
I'm awaiting the analysis of what 'basic laws of physics' have been denied and if they have, how this is impossible to overcome within the timescales involved in the introduction of EVs to the mass market ... I'm interested & have a background which leads to questioning anything which initially seems to be illogical, that's why I'm asking - we may all learn something new about physics, chemistry, automotive/electrical/civil engineering ... or even economics!! ...
HTH
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle0
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