Why are leavers so angry

Tony_Geo

Fella wrote: »

It's not data, it's something tangible you can bet on. If I was as certain of when the election (wouldn't) be as some on here claim to be I'd be filling my boots at those odds, quite seriously.

After the elections of Corbyn to Labour leadership, then Trump to President, are you seriously saying that a surprise result in a UK election is unthinkable?

You can bet on anything that someone will quote you odds on. Odds aren't absolute, they are set to minimise the exposure of the bookies to losing money. As to Trump and Corbyn, you have a point, but I think that given last June it is more likely that UKIP would win power than Labour as the people would vote to ensure it. It only needs about 35-40% to put UKIP into power.

kabayiri

Tony_Geo wrote: »

You can bet on anything that someone will quote you odds on. Odds aren't absolute, they are set to minimise the exposure of the bookies to losing money. As to Trump and Corbyn, you have a point, but I think that given last June it is more likely that UKIP would win power than Labour as the people would vote to ensure it. It only needs about 35-40% to put UKIP into power.

It's an interesting proposition.

I don't think UKIP would want to win outright power. They don't have the experience of governance yet.

They would certainly relish an influencing position in a right of centre coallition though.

If you think about it, the LibDems have had far more seats than UKIP in the last decade, and yet UKIP have had more fundamental influence : being pivotal in the emergence of an EU referendum.

You could possibly make the same argument about the SNP.

Does protest politics need a majority platform to be successful?

Graham_Devon

Moby wrote: »

Your analysis is lost on the brexitards, they cling on desperately to any sign of relatively good news as a sign that it'll all be fine.....and yet day after day after day links are put on here showing them how wrong they are and they just ignore the evidence. As Gove put it....we shouldn't listen to experts.............so on that basis I should ignore the medical 'expert' and listen to the corner shop alternative therapist who tells me that my broken leg can be healed with an ointment. :rotfl:

As a "brexitard", I'm just confused as to how the experts are right when they predict the dire consequences of brexit.

Yet you loathe nearly everything else about the same government.

The government you loathe for various reasons, but including the fact that they gave people a referendum, are correct when it comes to a prediction? Quaint.

Wrong on every level to give us the referendum, wrong on every economic point they make, wrong on benefits, wrong on social aspects, but right when it comes to economic calculations?

Graham_Devon

mayonnaise wrote: »

I know I'm wasting my time in this post-truth world we live in, but here goes anyway.
HM Treasury Analysis: The immediate economic impact of leaving the EU.
Please note the word 'Leaving'.
Not 'voting to leave'.

Sorry mayonnaise, but no cigar...

On the very same forecast....

The Treasury's document today says: "A vote to leave would cause an immediate and profound economic shock creating instability and uncertainty which would be compounded by the complex and interdependent negotiations that would follow".

From the introduction to the forecast documents on page 4:

Commenting on the work, Professor Bean said: “While there are inevitably many uncertainties – including the prospective trading regime with the EU – this comprehensive analysis by HM Treasury, which employs best-practice techniques, provides reasonable estimates of the likely size of the short-term impact of a vote to leave on the UK economy.”

And, just to fire the point home, the man himself, George Osbourne on TV talking about the immediate impact of a vote to leave.... stating "A vote to leave will push our economy into recession". 19 secs into the clip.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

Funny how you couldn't find any of this, as the document you refer to is riddled with the "a vote to leave" quote.

Four people fell for it though, so well done! One even went into meltdown claiming the rest of us are Brexitards for not following your great lead!

Why people are trying to re-write history is honestly beyond me. We have google now, it's hardly hard to find a reference to the missinformation you are trying to spread.

Fella

Graham_Devon wrote: »

As a "brexitard"

It's very revealing about peoples character when they attach "tard" to words describing people they hate. They are in effect insulting people who are mentally !!!!!!, by casually appending "tard" to any group they want to insult. And yet they are almost always the kind of person who view themselves as some kind of saint who would never take the p*ss out of the physically or mentally disabled.

(Not aimed at you, as it wasn't you who coined that expression).

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Your analysis is lost on the brexitards, they cling on desperately to any sign of relatively good news as a sign that it'll all be fine.....and yet day after day after day links are put on here showing them how wrong they are and they just ignore the evidence. As Gove put it....we shouldn't listen to experts.............so on that basis I should ignore the medical 'expert' and listen to the corner shop alternative therapist who tells me that my broken leg can be healed with an ointment. :rotfl:

are both you and mayo starting to compete for toxic toastie position.
Once you used to post non abusive, coherent comments. Even if I didn't agree with pro union, pro tick box, pro state employee, pro labour stuff, it was an atttempt at serious debate

now starting with 'brexitards' reduces you to toxic toastie and mayo nonsense.

Shaka_Zulu

Moby wrote: »

Your analysis is lost on the brexitards,

Funny old world isn't it, you can get away with using words like "BREXITARD" whilst if you use the word "remoaner" you are PPR.

Tells us quite a lot about remainers does it not? If they don't like it they just moan and grass.

Conrad

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Why people are trying to re-write history is honestly beyond me. We have google now, it's hardly hard to find a reference to the missinformation you are trying to spread.

2 Treasury Select Committees grilled Hammond over the project fear Treasury forecasts and concluded they were based on inputs and modelling to suit the political narrative of the day.


Merlyn Somerset Webb and others say the latest OBR forecasts are a complete stab in the dark based on no information as to who will be in charge of EU nations next year, what the trading landscape will be etc etc


Radio 4's 'More or less' statistics show concluded these forecasts are based on next to no information, but that they had to produce something on which policy could be based. The forecasters themselves were interviewed on the show and agreed these forecasts are more less meaningless.


Remainers display a profound lack of common sense in this regard

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Sorry mayonnaise, but no cigar...

Oh drat.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

Thanks for the link, with headline.

EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury

Brexit, as in leaving the EU I assume.

Subtitle:

Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.

Leaving the European Union. Leaving, Graham.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Four people fell for it though, so well done! One even went into meltdown claiming the rest of us are Brexitards for not following your great lead!

Yay! Graham's Forumonics are back!

Doshwaster

Tony_Geo wrote: »

You can bet on anything that someone will quote you odds on. Odds aren't absolute, they are set to minimise the exposure of the bookies to losing money. As to Trump and Corbyn, you have a point, but I think that given last June it is more likely that UKIP would win power than Labour as the people would vote to ensure it. It only needs about 35-40% to put UKIP into power.

You have to take into account the FPTP voting system. UKIP got 12.7% in 2015 but only one MP. The Lib Dems got 8 MPs on 7.9% of the vote.

Besides, what would UKIP do when they got into power? Apart from wanting the hardest exit possible what policies do they have on anything else? Once their manifesto come under greater scrutiny it could end up putting a lot of people off them.

Leaving to the EU is going to happen whether we like it or not so voters may decide to move on from the UKIP and concentrate on more domestic issues.