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North Yorkshire Police - Operation Spartan
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At what point of criminality do you draw the line of it being socially acceptable reporting it / supplying evidence to the authorities if you have it ?
When I hit 50, I cast all morality aside
If my dashcam witnessed a serious accident, then I would make the footage available, because what is left of my Moral Code believes that is Right.
If it is just someone going the wrong side of a KEEP LEFT island, pulling out 6 feet in front of me, turning left from the right hand lane, lane changing without indicating, talking on their mobile, eating a mars bar, overtaking me in a 30 when I'm doing an indicated 32 like I'm standing still, overtaking on a blind bend then I wouldn't bother. As stated, those are things that visible Police would deter/catch.
And no, I don't feel that if I don't report them now, they will do it again tomorrow and kill a whole column of nuns, sending baskets of kittens everywhere.
We can have a whole series of moral dilemmas:
Would you shop your brother/sister/spouse if you found out that they were the "Hit & Run" driver Police are looking for?
Would snitching stop them doing it again?
Would you snitch on a colleague who told you they were going to Syria to join ISIS?
Would snitching save lives here?
Would you snitch on a colleague who goes home 5 minutes early if it didn't affect how much work you have to do?
Would you snitch if they stole a pen, or stole photocopies by using the office copier for private use?
Why not?I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
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Well I did say it raised more questions than answers in my post
But for what it's worth if I saw someone doing most of these within a very short distance, and I had camera footage then yes, I might well hand it over voluntarily. And a couple of them on their own if they caused me or another road user to take extreme avoiding action (ie not just having to brake a bit or stop a little sharpish - we're talking vehicle or property damage).If it is just someone going the wrong side of a KEEP LEFT island, pulling out 6 feet in front of me, turning left from the right hand lane, lane changing without indicating, talking on their mobile, eating a mars bar, overtaking me in a 30 when I'm doing an indicated 32 like I'm standing still, overtaking on a blind bend then I wouldn't bother. As stated, those are things that visible Police would deter/catch.0 -
Because they have your name, they have your address, they know you were driving the car. You say it's harder, but if they issue a cheeky FPN, you'll probably just pay it.Why ? Why would they go after the tiny mistake in the footage as opposed to the great big howler it was submitted for? It's no easier - and more likely to be a waste of time when/if it gets to court.
All I'm saying is, think twice when submitting footage. They've not developed a whole new level of altruism.
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Well I did say it raised more questions than answers in my post
I think we are saying the same thing really, if they do all of them, and I fear that tomorrow I might get involved in The Huge Accident they cause I might well report it, but I see at least two of those every single morning/evening on the commute, and if ever I have a morning off and drive at around 11AM it is about 10 times worse.
(In The Olden Days if I had a day off it was a pleasure to drive in the day on the virtually empty roads, now it is quicker & safer to drive in the Determined Early Rush Hour!)I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
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Obviously it's worth clarifying, if my dashcam caught an accident, or a child being hit, or a cyclist being knocked off, then the footage would be made available for sure. I might even stop in that situation, if it was safe to do so. If people/medics/plod were there I might not however.
However, the police want me to send in footage of spotty 18 year olds making mistakes in their naff hatchbacks, or doing 40 in a 30 zone? Nah, y'alright. Too much mither. Pretty sure that's what the plod said to me in the past....0 -
Aren't you required to attend Court as a witness if they are basing a prosecution on your footage, and the other party is pleading not guilty?
Or does whoever watches the recorded footage count as a witness?I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
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