How much would EU citizenship be worth to you?

wotsthat

£100 per year

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

A myth that has been voted against (unless that didn't happen?), which now has a counter-threat from Turkey to accede to their demand for membership or face the consequences of unfettered migration from the Middle East (unless this also didn't happen?).

Not quite Arthurian legend levels of myth is it?

Turkey isn't going to join the EU. I suspect they're more interested in receiving aid in return for border controls.

TrickyTree83

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wotsthat wrote: »

Turkey isn't going to join the EU. I suspect they're more interested in receiving aid in return for border controls.

Does that opinion factor in that a vote was held on Turkey's possible membership in the EU parliament?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/24/eu-parliament-votes-freeze-membership-talks-turkey

MEPs in Strasbourg voted by 471 to 37 to halt Turkey’s EU accession talks, with politicians ranging from the Conservative group to the Greens lining up to back a resolution that condemned the Turkish government’s “disproportionate repressive measures” after a failed military coup in July. There were 107 abstentions.

I expected as much once academics, journalists and politicians in Turkey were thrown behind bars for thinking incorrectly.

So to say that it's not going to happen, whilst the country is going through the steps to make it happen (albeit slowly, and sometimes going backwards) is not an honest depiction of the situation.

The reality is that Turkey was indeed on the pathway to EU membership. The only way to guarantee that it would not come to pass that the UK would share an open border with Turkey was to leave the EU which would possibly create that open border. The alternative would be based on hope and faith.

prosaver

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I wonder when morocco are going to join the EU ..dont hear anyting from that side?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

For me it's the ability to live, work or retire in 27 other countries without having to go through the high costs of non-EU citizen asset and cash deposits in country.

A non-EU citizen retiring to Spain needs €1,000,000 investment in Spanish financial assets such as shares, or €500,000 cash investment in property, or €2,000,000 in cash to obtain permanent residency. Most other EU nations have similar restrictions for non-EU citizens.

A citizen of an EU country needs almost nothing at all.... Just enough cash to rent or buy a cheap house and live off their state pension and a bit of savings..... It's as easy as deciding to move from Birmingham to Blackpool for ordinary people.

By comparison to the alternative of non-EU restrictions a grand a year would be a cheap price to pay for retaining EU citizenship.

Link please?


Because that is not quite true is it?
As usual Hamish is being very selective with his figures, certainly regarding Spain at least.
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/MIAMI/en/InformacionParaExtranjeros/Pages/Visa%20Requirements/Residence-Visa-for-Retirees.aspx
And:
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/111315/how-much-money-do-you-need-retire-spain.asp

Americans & Canadians certainly don't need "€1,000,000 investment in Spanish financial assets such as shares, or €500,000 cash investment in property, or €2,000,000 in cash to obtain permanent residency." - so what makes you think a Brit would following Brexit?

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

No move at all. Turkey was never joining the EU anyway. Just a myth perpetuated by Project Lie to scare the right wingers into voting leave.

do you support the block on turkey joining

and what EU legislation have the lack of UK leadership prevented

and how about 'justifying' the 'vile scum EU' comment

The_Last_Username

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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh I rather suspect it's going exactly as the OP hoped it would go.



Always useful for the little englanders to just identify themselves all in one place...

Saves so much time in debates later on.;)

You think so?
I strongly suspect you would argue that black is white just for the sheer joy you appear to derive from trolling, since that very much appears to be what a great majority of your posts are.

Beware too the usefulness of such polls, Hamish.
Because it is also useful for identifying those would-be anarchist remoaners who have a problem with democracy.

£100 per yearCloudydaze, Daniel54, Herzlos, Marmaduke123, Mids_Costcutter, Nebulous2, StevieJ, breaking_free, ivyleaf, martinsurrey, squeakerton, superpauk, wotsthat
13 19.40%

£500 per yearZeitgeist, missbiggles1, padington
3 4.48%

£1000 per yearBNT, HAMISH_MCTAVISH, dekoder, fru-girl, islandannie, rtho782
6 8.96% Voters: 67.

I also note with interest your false statement below regarding Spanish retirement for non-EU prospective retirees.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

A non-EU citizen retiring to Spain needs €1,000,000 investment in Spanish financial assets such as shares, or €500,000 cash investment in property, or €2,000,000 in cash to obtain permanent residency. Most other EU nations have similar restrictions for non-EU citizens.

Again, links please?
Since obviously many outside the EU need no such investment, those from the USA and Canada being just two examples.
So proof?
Or is this yet more trolling?

MacMickster

The_Last_Username wrote: »

You think so?
I strongly suspect you would argue that black is white just for the sheer joy you appear to derive from trolling, since that very much appears to be what a great majority of your posts are.

Beware too the usefulness of such polls, Hamish.
Because it is also useful for identifying those would-be anarchist remoaners who have a problem with democracy.


I also note with interest your false statement below regarding Spanish retirement for non-EU prospective retirees.

Again, links please?
Since obviously many outside the EU need no such investment, those from the USA and Canada being just two examples.
So proof?
Or is this yet more trolling?

Hamish is quoting the requirements for a golden visa in Spain. Rich non-EU citizens can effectively bypass other visa requirements if they have sufficient money. There are however other types of visa, including a retirement visa for which the financial requirements are rather less exacting
http://www.spainexpat.com/spain/information/visas_in_spain_for_work_or_holiday/

General Requirements for Spain Visas

For any visa application for Spain, expect to require the following documents, plus those specifically as noted below for each individual type of visa for Spain.

To apply for your visa the following requirements must be submitted in person:
◦Passport valid for a minimum of six months and three photocopies of the personal information and photo page.
◦4 recent pictures, passport size.
◦Original marriage certificate *.
◦Original certificate of good conduct issued by the police department of the city or cities where the applicant has spent 6 months or more in the last 5 years, with a translation into Spanish .
◦Original medical certificate typed on doctor’s stationary verifying that the applicant is free from the following quarantine diseases: yellow fever, cholera, and the plague. The certificate must also certify that the applicant is free of drug addictions and mental illness, with a translation into Spanish .
◦Original Medical Insurance that will cover you in Spain.

It is also necessary to submit two (2) photocopies of all the documents.



Retirement Visa for Spain

In addition to the above General Requirements for Spain Visas, you will need:

Residence visa to retire in Spain (visa de Jubilados). This visa allows a foreigner to reside in Spain as a retiree without working. In addition to the above General Requirements for Spain Visas, you will need:
◦Original certificate of a public or private institution certifying that you receive a pension, specifying its monthly amount.
◦Proof of any other source of income and/or properties in Spain (The anual minimum is $10,000 increased by $1,700 for each dependant).
◦If you own any propety in Spain you must bring Original proof of ownership.

mrginge

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I am shocked at the suggestion that hamish would selectively misrepresent the truth in order to support his position.

Thrugelmir

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Nick_C wrote: »

Of course it could backfire spectacularly if Turkey opens its borders before April and the EU is flooded with even more migrants.

Whose stupid idea was it to open discussions in the first place?

The whole concept was ill thought out and fraught with problems from the outset. The EU needs to stop expanding further and get to grips with it's own problems. Before dictating to others.

Enterprise_1701C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Whose stupid idea was it to open discussions in the first place?

The whole concept was ill thought out and fraught with problems from the outset. The EU needs to stop expanding further and get to grips with it's own problems. Before dictating to others.

The EU wants to take over the world. What alarms me is that the Germans seem to have established themselves as the leaders of the EU, and they do seem to have a reputation in that direction.