How much would EU citizenship be worth to you?

rtho782

£1000 per year

Seeing as how there is going to be an economic hit from leaving, especially for those of us that are working and don't have a triple lock on our income, shouldn't this poll be "how much would you pay to give up your EU citizenship"? Or "How much extra money would make you accept an EU citizenship"?

CLAPTON

rtho782 wrote: »

Seeing as how there is going to be an economic hit from leaving, especially for those of us that are working and don't have a triple lock on our income, shouldn't this poll be "how much would you pay to give up your EU citizenship"? Or "How much extra money would make you accept an EU citizenship"?

I guess to justify that reasoning based on the evidence of the recession that started on 24th June

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

I think many in this forum are not considering that the EU in a few years time will almost certainly be a very different place.
If indeed it exists at all - though *sigh* again I must stress that I am not wishing this eventuality, merely pointing out the possibility.

The latest TNS Infratest Politikforschungsurvey in Germany shows that 67% of Germans would like the EU to change its political course.

Almost two-thirds of Germans are dissatisfied with the current situation in the European Union and want to see changes in the bloc, while about half of them even want to hold a referendum on Germany’s EU membership

https://www.rt.com/news/368610-germans-eu-wrong-direction/
That is not to say that I see Germany voting to leave the EU, BTW.

As said before, with Italy; France & the upcoming election; Holland and its upcoming election; Hungary & Visegrad nations pushing for EU discussions about accession talks with Western Balkan nations; Turkey's demands ............... as anyone must surely acknowledge, the list of potentially EU-threatening problems is a large one.

All it would take is one to erupt and the EU itself will face serious difficulties.
Personally I cannot see how the EU will avoid them all but time will tell.

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I think many in this forum are not considering that the EU in a few years time will almost certainly be a very different place.
If indeed it exists at all - though *sigh* again I must stress that I am not wishing this eventuality, merely pointing out the possibility.
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Juncker himself sets the tone I reckon.

He is very defensive when interviewed, and stubborn to accept that there are people around Europe struggling with the idea that the EU is a benefit right now.

I wonder if he will survive through 2017.

I think David Cameron was right in 2014 when he said Juncker was the wrong person for the job.

Herzlos

£100 per year

CLAPTON wrote: »

I guess to justify that reasoning based on the evidence of the recession that started on 24th June

Did we leave the EU on 24th June?

Masomnia

Herzlos wrote: »

Did we leave the EU on 24th June?

The forecasts were for negative growth in GDP in Q3 following a leave vote. In the end we saw decent growth, higher than the EU, ironically enough.

TrickyTree83

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

kabayiri wrote: »

Juncker himself sets the tone I reckon.

He is very defensive when interviewed, and stubborn to accept that there are people around Europe struggling with the idea that the EU is a benefit right now.

I wonder if he will survive through 2017.

I think David Cameron was right in 2014 when he said Juncker was the wrong person for the job.

Clearly one that isn't resonating with the people of Europe:

BobQ

Does the notion of paying to retain EU citizenship have any basis in fact? Has anyone credible suggested it?

What is EU citizenship?
Any person who holds the nationality of an EU country is automatically also an EU citizen. EU citizenship is additional to and does not replace national citizenship. It is for each EU country to lay down the conditions for the acquisition and loss of nationality of that country.
Citizenship of the Union is conferred directly on every EU citizen by the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU

So to acquire this right the EU would need to change its Treaty . NOt very likely

The Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union entails the right:
To non-discrimination on the basis of nationality when the Treaty applies
To move and reside freely within the EU
To vote for and stand as a candidate in European Parliament and municipal elections
To be protected by the diplomatic and consular authorities of any other EU country
To petition the European Parliament and complain to the European Ombudsman
To contact and receive a response from any EU institution in one of the EU's official languages
To access European Parliament, European Commission and Council documents under certain conditions
EU citizens also have the right to equal access to the EU Civil Service.
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As far as I can see post Brexit the only benefit we might get is To move and reside freely within the EU. How likely is it that the EU would sell us this privilege without a similar opportunity for 500 million EU Citizens to come here?

EU Citizenship does not (it appears) grant fast track through immigration channels and would probably need some kind of visa for those paying the fee.

Tromking

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

What alarms me is that the Germans seem to have established themselves as the leaders of the EU, and they do seem to have a reputation in that direction.

It does seem that Germany can't help but give it the 'big one' even after decades of enforced benign democracy.
The EU was done for me when the Greek budget spend was reliant on a vote in the German parliament.
If we end up leaving, it`ll be just at the right time, our democracy would struggle to cope with a politically unified EU dancing to the tune of the Germans and French.

Nick_C

I think it's already the case that Germany dominates the EU. Andrew Neal was interviewing a Portuguese MEP on the daily politics about the refusal to do an early deal on expats. He was making the point that Merkel does not have the right to speak for or do deals on behalf of the EU.

I think it is not only Brits who feel uneasy at German domination of the EU, and in trying to do deals with Frau Merkel our PM may inadvertently upset other EU leaders if she is not careful.