How much would EU citizenship be worth to you?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

Meanwhile the latest ONS figures show that huge numbers of immigrants arrived in the year up to June 2016:

The Office for National Statistics said an unprecedented 284,000 EU citizens arrived in the UK in the year to June, which covers a period up to and just after the referendum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/01/record-number-eucitizens-came-live-britain-last-year-says-ons/

The inflow of EU citizens has hit a historic high, while long-term migration to the UK has remained around record levels at a third of a million.

A third of a million per year long-term.
Then some wonder why housing is an ever-increasing problem.

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

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A third of a million per year long-term.
Then some wonder why housing is an ever-increasing problem.

It's very simple.

The new arrivals will end up being concentrated in specific locations. As an economic migrant you don't typically go to a town where there is no work.

These places will all typically lag in the necessary infrastructure spend. Central government is already trying to place more of the burden on local government to cut costs.

The result will be more tension over limited resources.

I don't think you can do mass immigration on the cheap.

Herzlos

£100 per year

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A third of a million per year long-term.
Then some wonder why housing is an ever-increasing problem.

Yeah, we're not building enough housing or infrastructure :j


I wonder how many of these numbers were brought forward because of Brexit?

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Yeah, we're not building enough housing or infrastructure :j


I wonder how many of these numbers were brought forward because of Brexit?

When have we ever invested enough in infrastructure though, certainly in recent decades?

We have local councils reporting a 20 year backlog of pot hole repairs.

We have 20,000 traffic congestion hotspots, over half of them in London. This is significantly more than in France and Germany.

At what point do we realise there is a limit to how much we can realistically invest in infrastructure?

Ironically, we talk about FoM, whilst at the same time a housing department like Hounslow is actively trying to relocate new arrivals to places in other parts of the country where accommodation is available and cheaper! It's not exactly totally free is it?

gadgetmind

£1000 per year

I voted for £1k pa and would happily pay the same again for spouse to retain the valuable freedoms that we once took for granted.

This isn't so that we can visit the EU on holiday etc. but so that we retain the right to live and work in the other 27 countries should we choose to do so.

Tromking

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

Nick_C wrote: »

I think it is not only Brits who feel uneasy at German domination of the EU, and in trying to do deals with Frau Merkel our PM may inadvertently upset other EU leaders if she is not careful.

The potential loss to the EU of a nation with the soft power and moral standing of the UK is a disaster for the likes Merkel and to a lesser extent any new French president.
The traditional Franco-German pre-EU summit get togethers (or the stitch up!) will lose significant gravitas if there is a independently successful and more democratic UK flourishing free from the EU.
The sooner we don`t have no-mark Portuguese MEP`s gobbing off about UK matters the better.

Herzlos

£100 per year

kabayiri wrote: »

When have we ever invested enough in infrastructure though, certainly in recent decades?

Exactly; since the Victorians, we've under funded and under developed everything, and our services are at bursting point. It's just as well they over-engineered everything.

Migration may be speeding up the problem, but it's not the actual cause or the solution. In fact, restricting migration may make it worse due to funding issues.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly; since the Victorians, we've under funded and under developed everything, and our services are at bursting point. It's just as well they over-engineered everything.

Migration may be speeding up the problem, but it's not the actual cause or the solution. In fact, restricting migration may make it worse due to funding issues.

I'd say mass migration is actually making successive governments' responses even more kneejerk.

We have had significant migration for over a decade now, and in that time the use of expensive PFI for infrastructure spend has not relented.

The £50bn PFI project 'Building Schools for the Future' was dumped by the coallition (many of the schools built were substandard).

NHS trusts which embraced PFI are now running budget deficits.

How is this going to improve ?

gadgetmind

£1000 per year

But on the bright side, my shares in HICL, BBGI, JLIF and INPP have done very well.

danothy

Hmm, if we had to match our individual contribution (without the rebate) that would be 52 weeks × £350,000,000 / week ÷ 60,000,000 people ≈ £300 / year / person. A significant chunk of the value of the EU comes from the national membership that brings the business, regulatory, and collective action aspects rather than just the personal freedoms of citizenship, but even without that it would be worth it to me.