How much would EU citizenship be worth to you?

Thrugelmir

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

danothy wrote: »

Hmm, if we had to match our individual contribution (without the rebate) that would be 52 weeks × £350,000,000 / week ÷ 60,000,000 people ≈ £300 / year / person. A significant chunk of the value of the EU comes from the national membership that brings the business, regulatory, and collective action aspects rather than just the personal freedoms of citizenship, but even without that it would be worth it to me.

You need to remove children, pensioners and benefit claimants from your calculation. Take it nearer £750.

Nick_C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You need to remove children, pensioners and benefit claimants from your calculation. Take it nearer £750.

Excuse me, but many pensioners pay Income Tax!!! (And VAT, fuel duty, insurance premium tax, airport passenger duty, stamp duty, and vehicle excise duty)

Thrugelmir

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

Nick_C wrote: »

Excuse me, but many pensioners pay Income Tax!!! (And VAT, fuel duty, insurance premium tax, airport passenger duty, stamp duty, and vehicle excise duty)

Why would the majority of UK pensioners require EU membership rights? The UK is currently running a potentially unsustainable budget deficit. So face a cut in living standards or increase in taxes in any event. Inflicting further pain won't go down well.

Nick_C

Danothy was pointing out the per capita cost of EU membership. Many pensioners are contributing to the exchequer so shouldn't be removed from the cost per capita.

Nick_C

And of course many British pensioners who have retired to Spain & Portugal may be interesting in buying associate citizenship.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

When the left becomes too ignorant and arrogant to listen to people where are these people going to tack? Further left, or to the right?

You've demonstrated the basis for the move to the right quite well by being so dismissive. It couldn't possibly be political correctness gone wrong or the perversion of the left by the social justice activist/warrior movement.

Rather than ask why, you seek to apportion blame, steadfastly sticking by the regimen that anyone who thinks differently is by default wrong.

Heh.

It's amusing when you know the person isn't being ironic but it would be so much better if they were.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

EU citizenship?
What that will be and mean in a few years time may well be very different to today.
As I have said before, please note that I am not wishing these eventualities but merely pointing out what appears to be an increasing possibility.

The Austrian election is looking very close (again) and the far right are looking for their "first freely elected far-right head of state in Europe since World War Two."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/04/austria-election-norbert-hofer-cusp-becoming-europes-first-far/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/austrians-vote-president-election-watched-europe-wide-43959631

Then there is Italy.
*sigh*
Within a few days now we may see the beginnings of desire for far-reaching change within the EU and not just from the UK with our recent in/out referendum result.

danothy

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You need to remove children, pensioners and benefit claimants from your calculation. Take it nearer £750.

No I don't. The total payment is for everyone, including children, pensioners, and benefit claimants, therefore each person's contribution would need to be around £300 if paid individually. What it actually costs me now is more as some others don't pay for themselves, so an individual payment benefits me if anything if it's not more than personal proportion of the national cost.

An upper limit of how much it'd be worth to me is dependant on details though, as is everything. There'd be a bail out point regarding personal costs to me for such an arrangement, but I'd defo put my money where my mouth is to escape the sinking racist ship that the UK has become.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

£1000 per year

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The Austrian election is looking very close (again) and the far right are looking for their "first freely elected far-right head of state in Europe since World War Two."

Far Right candidate has lost in Austria. :beer:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

£1000 per year

danothy wrote: »

I'd defo put my money where my mouth is to escape the sinking racist ship that the UK has become.

Sadly - yes - me too.