How much would EU citizenship be worth to you?

wotsthat

£100 per year

CLAPTON wrote: »

is wanting to remain a member of a white christian european club and wanting to discriminate against other peoples, a move to the left or a move to the right?

I don't accept the fallacy of your argument but I'd suggest voting to stay the same isn't a move either way. Voting to leave was a move to the right as it was based on a mistrust of 'them'.

Is obsessing about the colour and religion of our near neighbours a move to the right of left by the way?

Nick_C

wotsthat wrote: »

Once the non-native, non-white, non-Christians have been 'sorted' and the intellectuals, experts and gays have been re-educated it'll be the turn of those traitorous remoaniac liberals who had the audacity to buy EU citizenship.

I can't wait for the 5th golden era of prosperity and enlightenment.

What on earth are you talking about? Do think all gay people have exactly the same views? You are the one who needs to be re-educated!

TrickyTree83

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't accept the fallacy of your argument but I'd suggest voting to stay the same isn't a move either way. Voting to leave was a move to the right as it was based on a mistrust of 'them'.

Is obsessing about the colour and religion of our near neighbours a move to the right of left by the way?

Who did I mistrust?

If my vote was based on a mistrust of 'them', who was it against?

I'm keen to know from someone else why I voted the way I did.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't accept the fallacy of your argument but I'd suggest voting to stay the same isn't a move either way. Voting to leave was a move to the right as it was based on a mistrust of 'them'.

Is obsessing about the colour and religion of our near neighbours a move to the right of left by the way?

presumably, the EU parliament voted to block Turkey joining was a move to the left or was it no move at all or was it all the fault of the UK?

Herzlos

£100 per year

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

That's true, would have to factor that into considerations

Though you also need to factor in the puny duty free allowances outside of Europe (i.e. almost nothing, certainly not worth the trip for)

Nick_C

CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably, the EU parliament voted to block Turkey joining was a move to the left or was it no move at all or was it all the fault of the UK?

I suspect this was a clumsy attempt to prevent Marine Le Pen winning the French Presidential Election.

Of course it could backfire spectacularly if Turkey opens its borders before April and the EU is flooded with even more migrants.

wotsthat

£100 per year

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Who did I mistrust?

If my vote was based on a mistrust of 'them', who was it against?

I'm keen to know from someone else why I voted the way I did.

Of course, not you. You're a lovely exception.

TrickyTree83

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The NAZI's were the ideology of the left...;)

Nationalsozialismus - The National Socialist Party - whose predecessor was the German Workers' Party, and was later renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party after Hitler gained control of it on a platform of 'Putting Germans First'.

Interestingly they too were vehemently opposed to international cosmopolitanism, worried about immigration 'diluting their culture' and had a real fetish for condemning the educated and moderate politicians, lawyers, journalists and academics who opposed them as members of 'the establishment' or 'the elite' - code for what later became 'traitors of the people' and finally 'enemies of the state'.

Anyway I digress...

Seems that whether of the left or of the right, following charismatic politicians who dislike internationalism and pander to populist nationalist sentiments is never a good idea....

I'm well aware of the roots of national socialism.

That's not to say that the left don't use it as a slur on the right. Which was the point I was making.

wotsthat

£100 per year

CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably, the EU parliament voted to block Turkey joining was a move to the left or was it no move at all or was it all the fault of the UK?

No move at all. Turkey was never joining the EU anyway. Just a myth perpetuated by Project Lie to scare the right wingers into voting leave.

TrickyTree83

Nothing at all. I'm perfectly happy, isolated in little england

wotsthat wrote: »

No move at all. Turkey was never joining the EU anyway. Just a myth perpetuated by Project Lie to scare the right wingers into voting leave.

A myth that has been voted against (unless that didn't happen?), which now has a counter-threat from Turkey to accede to their demand for membership or face the consequences of unfettered migration from the Middle East (unless this also didn't happen?).

Not quite Arthurian legend levels of myth is it?