I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU

Thrugelmir

AFF8879 wrote: »

Let's say, after all the analysis and negotiations, the government comes up with a deal whereby we keep single market membership / financial services passporting but must accept "uncontrolled immigration" as its been referred to and EU laws/regulations...i.e the status quo.

Once out of the EU. We can do whatever we wish. Your scenario wouldn't be acceptable to the remaining member states.

Matt_L

AFF8879 wrote: »

The whole referendum question was fundamentally flawed. Putting aside the outright lies, scaremongering etc on both sides of the campaign, we were asked "should the UK remain a member of the EU" (not exact wording, but you get my drift).

Let's say, after all the analysis and negotiations, the government comes up with a deal whereby we keep single market membership / financial services passporting but must accept "uncontrolled immigration" as its been referred to and EU laws/regulations...i.e the status quo.

Do you think the majority of people who voted leave would be happy with this outcome? Well unfortunately it wouldn't make a slight bit of difference as the government would still have fufilled their instruction to leave the EU.

Thats why I agree in principle with a second referendum on the terms of the exit; not that that option isn't fraught with difficulties. I.e we are in a bit of a mess with no easy solution.

If this were the outcome then we wouldn't have left anything and he government wouldn't have fulfilled their obligation....

All or nothing...

CLAPTON

AFF8879 wrote: »

It would be far more favourable to them than the so-called "hard Brexit" option.

But then I need to remind myself that the negotiations are being conducted by politicians and not people who have any actual expertise in economics...

The ministers are being backed by a few hundred or so experts , many with expertise in economics.

AFF8879

CLAPTON wrote: »

The ministers are being backed by a few hundred or so experts , many with expertise in economics.

I'm sure that's the case...but Mr Juncker, amongst others, strikes me as too stubborn to listen to them. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

Ballard

We will leave the EU but we may stay in the single market. We may continue to fund the EU. We may continue to have free movement of people. We may have to continue to abide by at least some EU laws. None of us know what will happen but I suspect that few will get exactly what they thought they were voting for.

My guess is that the phrase that'll be overused in a couple of years is "That's not what I voted for". I might try to copyright that expression!

seven-day-weekend

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

Still can't see how people interpret that as a promise. People act as if it said "We will give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week"

I for one don't think the NHS SHOULD be given that, it's a bottomless moneypit.

I voted Leave. We will go. And without fudging.

AG47

Brexit means brexit

westernpromise

BobQ wrote: »

I also think that someone who could not be bothered with voting in a referendum with such ramifications cannot be taken seriously on the subject.

Go on then. Why didn't s/he vote?

I didn't vote either. Why didn't I vote?

Conrad

Sovereignty will be returned, end of.


This will mean us using our sovereignty to set an EU migrant quota, not a problem.


Leaving is incredibly simple as you will see. Yes there will be lots of complexity on secondary issues and housekeeping and they will be resolved over the passage of time, not a problem though as the central 'taking back sovereignty' principle will be resolved quickly.


When the trade deal is concluded in good time, all the remoansers hysteria will vanish in a puff of smoke.


The Bavarian Trade minister is urging for a quick and sensible deal that harms no trade. The Polish leader is today talking of a sensible non harmful break.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I quote from John Redwood in July this year:

The facts are very different. Getting our contributions back, deciding our own laws and having our own migration policy were the three biggest points of the Leave campaign. These are all non negotiable. We should just get on and do them.

Some then say we cannot simply pull out owing to the law of Treaties! This is absurd. If they read Article 50 they would find it expressly says we can withdraw using our own constitutional procedures, which means in our case an Act of Parliament.

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/07/17/getting-out-of-the-eu-can-be-quick-and-easy-the-uk-holds-most-of-the-cards-in-any-negotiation/

I don't see anything contained within the linked report that is not equally as applicable today as it was when written.